Mike Hunt Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 29 minutes ago, Fablon Dunlop said: Here here... The only person in that back three who looked comfortable was Heneghan. He was also excellent at winning the aerial duels as the ball was hoofed forward. But every single time iorfa found the ball at his feet, he looked terrified, he's lost all confidence it would seem and as much as I hate singling out, his defending was absolutely horrendous. After looking so so positive and playing some lovely footy, we concede three sloppy goals. It's not good enough at all. Not impressed with Henegan TBH goes walk about and is not quick enough to recover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JemmoJemoJemmo Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Nobody's panicking. It seems fairly clear that 3-5-2 will be our main formation this season, which is fine. But Moore has spoken about having greater tactical flexibility, and yesterday's game was a prime example of where that could have paid off: once Portsmouth started targeting the space behind Johnson, we could have switched to a back four, cut off their supply lines, weathered the storm, and maintained our lead. Instead, we stuck with what we'd got and conceded three very similar goals. Tactical flexibility doesn’t necessarily mean you have to change formation. All the issues we had could easily have been sorted within the formation we had with a few subtle tweaks. The formation is pretty irrelevant. Too many Football Manager geeks nowadays. Liverpool play against the best players and the best managers in the World but they rarely change formation. Chelsea won the PL with three at the back and didn’t change to a flat four every time City or Liverpool put them under a bit of pressure. At a lower level you saw the success United had under Wilder with three at the back. He very rarely changed formation just because they were under pressure. Its farcical to think that a team that has geared up and trained for a particular formation will suddenly look better when they change to a formation to which they are not familiar. Yesterday, Portsmouth managed to get four or five crosses into the area in the whole match! Our centre backs and keeper didn’t defend them with basic errors. No amount of changing formation is going to change that. Its just utter utter rounduns. And by keeping with the same formation we continued to create chances, scored an equaliser and up until the sending off looked the most likely to win it. In that scenario, why on earth would you change formation? Its just the typical knee jerk panic that goes on every time we don’t win a match. I hate to tell everybody but we will actually lose a few this season too. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Lord Snooty said: Gregory Red card. I expect we'll stick with 3-5-2 as that's what we'll have trained for all summer. However, if it was me... • Keep the excellent midfield 3. • Go to a back four, where everyone knows what they're doing. • Relive Johnson of defending and let him concentrate on his attacking capabilities. Stockdale Hunt Heneghan Ihekwe James Bashers Byers Bannan Windass Smith Johnson Ahh, just ignore me chaps. The 3-5-2 is here to stay. And will probably get us plenty of points. Just a post of frustration after an excellent opening 35 was thrown away. That looks good because Iorfa doesn't play. Other than that we really need a defensive midfielder to replace Luongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Rovrum mates all said Ihekwe was better in a 4 next to Wood organising everything. He’s currently on the left of a 3, with no -one organising. Unchallenged crosses from their right seem to back this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnsleyowl1996 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, The only way is S6 said: Rovrum mates all said Ihekwe was better in a 4 next to Wood organising everything. He’s currently on the left of a 3, with no -one organising. Unchallenged crosses from their right seem to back this up. He played in a 3 for most of last season and got in the team of the season…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Barnsleyowl1996 said: He played in a 3 for most of last season and got in the team of the season…. Have you not got any rovrum mates to tell you what's best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 37 minutes ago, JemmoJemoJemmo said: Its farcical to think that a team that has geared up and trained for a particular formation will suddenly look better when they change to a formation to which they are not familiar. There's not a defender in this country that hasn't been brought up to play in a back four at some stage of their development. 37 minutes ago, JemmoJemoJemmo said: No amount of changing formation is going to change that. Its just utter utter rounduns. A proper full backan marking a winger has more chsnce of stopping a cross than a wing back who is being overloaded 2 and 3 to 1 every time the opposition attacks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JemmoJemoJemmo Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: There's not a defender in this country that hasn't been brought up to play in a back four at some stage of their development. A proper full backan marking a winger has more chsnce of stopping a cross than a wing back who is being overloaded 2 and 3 to 1 every time the opposition attacks. If a wing back is being over loaded by two or three every time then clearly there are areas on the pitch where we can exploit their lack of numbers. For every strength of a formation there is a weakness. Thats what the best managers do, they analyse what is happening and quickly get info onto the pitch to counter what is happening! They rarely conclude changing formations is the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Said Bashers. Lost all credibility at this point. So for that reason, I'm out 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnsleyowl1996 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, bladeshater said: Have you not got any rovrum mates to tell you what's best Thankfully not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Lord Snooty said: Gregory Red card. I expect we'll stick with 3-5-2 as that's what we'll have trained for all summer. However, if it was me... • Keep the excellent midfield 3. • Go to a back four, where everyone knows what they're doing. • Relive Johnson of defending and let him concentrate on his attacking capabilities. Stockdale Hunt Heneghan Ihekwe James Bashers Byers Bannan Windass Smith Johnson Ahh, just ignore me chaps. The 3-5-2 is here to stay. And will probably get us plenty of points. Just a post of frustration after an excellent opening 35 was thrown away. Completely agree I called this line up in another thread too right Darren Moore did say we would playa back four at times and he also mentioned that just because we haven’t played any it doesn’t mean we’ve not been working on different formations in training and preseason. I think it’s the obvious changes if he dies it or not is another thing I would be against palmer playing right back and of MK dons have pace in that area I wouldn’t be against Iorfa playing right back I also wouldn’t be against Dawson starting but I think your right with that line up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertowl Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 hours ago, WalthamOwl said: Possibly change Byers for Vaulks. The same Byers who played really well yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marconi Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Wish we’d reacted earlier by bringing Palmer on and going four at the back , once it was evident Johnson and Ihekwa were getting skinned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weshallovercome Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 I'm in, I said in the team for Saturday thread that a 4-3-3 would suit the players we have. Although I also said I'd swap Iorfa for Hunt in that formation, but not so sure now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weshallovercome Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 I also think a 4-3-3 would suit Windass more, he was all over the place yesterday trying to get on the ball, which left Gregory isolated and confused Bannan, just giving him one side of the pitch to work on would make him more effective imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Mike Hunt said: Not impressed with Henegan TBH goes walk about and is not quick enough to recover He’s only played one game. He had some of the best numbers in the league last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack of Clubs Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Heneghan has looked good so far and Ihiekwe was in the L1 team of the season last year. It’s too early for a knee-jerk reaction but there’s still work to do. I can see why Iorfa was played as his pace is useful if we push up higher. I’d rather have the balance though and play Famewo on the left of a 3 but that may mean the defence sitting 5 yards deeper. Obviously that means we then need the legs in midfield (which I think we’ve got) and the front 2 to hold the ball up a little longer for the support to arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMOwl72 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4-3-3 much better suits our players. How many of he CBS we bought played in a back 3 last season at their old clubs? Add Iorfa to that (who is quite simply over rated) and we are a disaster at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigthinrob Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 6 hours ago, Lord Snooty said: Gregory Red card. I expect we'll stick with 3-5-2 as that's what we'll have trained for all summer. However, if it was me... • Keep the excellent midfield 3. • Go to a back four, where everyone knows what they're doing. • Relive Johnson of defending and let him concentrate on his attacking capabilities. Stockdale Hunt Heneghan Ihekwe James Bashers Byers Bannan Windass Smith Johnson Ahh, just ignore me chaps. The 3-5-2 is here to stay. And will probably get us plenty of points. Just a post of frustration after an excellent opening 35 was thrown away. Just been saying the same thing. The wingback style over complicates things, it inhibits the ‘winger’ aspect and compromises the ‘full back’ element. The confusion was palpable and I’m not convinced DM has the ability to coach / drill this way of playing. Simplify it and each player may then know what they are supposed to be doing and where they’re supposed to be at any given point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Bassett Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Without harping backwards, having Dean or Hutch in the middle of that three yesterday and we look so much better. i also think that Luongo is a huge Miss in front and I'd like to see us try Bakinson in there to play as a shield. id personally play 4-3-3 if I was choosing but we'd ideally need a wide right forward [Roofe / Wilks] to play it properly. If it stays the same formation then we need two new CBs who are comfortable on the ball, I still think Dean and Gibson should be targeted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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