Barry (back pass) Bannan

[jacko1992]

Bannan bashing time, seems to be this seasons scapegoat. He's surrounded by muck. Had he joined Brentford we'd be seeing him control games no doubt.

[Doctor Duran]

2 minutes ago, vulva said:

The idea is Bannan picks the ball up from the back 4, and then hits a big striker, or plays the wide men in behind the full back. He’s picking up the ball and seeing neither. And we are getting stuck. Poor teams play too deep, because they haven’t got enough pace or strength up front. We are a poor team. 
 

There a variety of reasons why we are getting relegated, but I still think had we brought in a couple of centre forwards in January, we might have escaped. 

So why does he still insist on picking the ball up, when we don't have the players for him to see.

It's not worked and he needs to change his football style to accommodate the team he is in.

A best footballer tag and  Captain would know this and do something about it.

 

It's groundhog day every match.. must be so easy for a opposing coach to suss us out.

[Costello 77]

Playing passes around in our third of the field is a gift for opposition teams.

I've yet to hear a good reason why we do it.

[Philb125]

30 minutes ago, StudentOwl said:

There was a really innocuous moment early in the second half that really got me yesterday.

 

Bannan had the ball deep inside our midfield third to the left of the pitch. He turned diagnonally back and left, and passed it to I think Borner, who was close to the left touchline and just inside our defensive third. He looked up, and played a 15 yard ball down the line to Reach who is facing the wrong way on the halfway line. It's a passage of play you see week in and week out at all levels of football... the second Reach gets his foot on the ball, I'm looking at that inside left channel on the halfway line awaiting Bannan to be offloaded with a little inside pass. He's not there. I look back to where Bannan originally released the ball to Borner... he's standing there, 10/15 yards behind the halfway line with his arms outstretched looking to receive the ball back as two defenders prompty close Reach down. 5 seconds later the ball is back with Westwood.

 

Now 9 times out of 10, the centre midfielder would do a run forward and receive the inside pass, breaking through the defensive midfield line and actually facing the opposition goal with the ball at his feet. But not our Bannan. That would be too easy, or too much work off the ball. No, he will petulantly stand in that deep playmaker position, where 50 yard crossfield Hollywood-style passes are required... and then because there's no midfield runners, all our play ends up facing away from the way we want to go, so we have to pass it backwards.

 

It really annoyed me. 

This is it, he is not running into space for the ball. It’s easy to criticise everyone else’s lack of movement but Bannan only moves into safe areas to receive the ball. 
 

He doesn’t run to space, he rarely runs at all but that’s another argument. He doesn’t give and go. He wants to play at walking pace. Seeing a less technically gifted player like shaw, run to receive, give and go, busy a guy to support was a breath of fresh air this season.
 

I’d rather three all round players that may lack his ability to one in ten games carry off a magic moment but offer effort, robustness, desire, bravery..... 

[Guest The Claw]

if the rest were making forward movement then maybe the passes would follow them ffs

[Mister Soul]

10 hours ago, Animis said:

It symbolises our overall approach and has done for a while. Him, Pelupessy, the full backs, Harris and Hutch spend more time passing backwards than moving forward.

 

Confidence in themselves and others, and the fear of losing the ball is probably all at play. 

Exactly this. To quote a film title ‘Fear Is The Key’. 
There’s very little confidence in the squad and so it takes a lot to play a chance ball.

 

[Huncho]

He drops to win the ball. I get that. But why does he insist on continuing to attempt the long ball on to the strikers head, which hasn’t worked since Fletcher was here? 
 

There was a moment near the end when he took the ball and did this little dart through the middle and brought us further up the pitch 

 

He doesn’t do that anywhere near enough. 

[vulva]

2 minutes ago, Doctor Duran said:

So why does he still insist on picking the ball up, when we don't have the players for him to see.

It's not worked and he needs to change his football style to accommodate the team he is in.

A best footballer tag and  Captain would know this and do something about it.

 

It's groundhog day every match.. must be so easy for a opposing coach to suss us out.

He’s clearly told to do it, so it’s a tactical thing. And every manager we’ve had, and we’ve had a few, think it’s the best thing to do.  
 

Agree re captain. Never been a captain. But then again, I don’t see anyone else anywhere near the job. 

[Philb125]

3 minutes ago, jacko1992 said:

Bannan bashing time, seems to be this seasons scapegoat. He's surrounded by muck. Had he joined Brentford we'd be seeing him control games no doubt.

Had he joined Brentford would we still be in bottom three and certain relegation candidates? Maybe. But we’d also be a million better off (was that the offer) and another million better off through his salary. 
 

Such a shame we kept him. 

[Doctor Duran]

1 minute ago, The Claw said:

if the rest were making forward movement then maybe the passes would follow them ffs

A floated 50 yard pass from Bannan after picking it up from Lees just outside our box, which is then

easily judged by the oppo defenders and making the forward run null and void.

 

Windass / Harris were doing this last night but the ball never gets to them as we have slowed it down to a snail pace.

So obvious to see

[DIPPS_S.W.F.C]

He's the best player at ball retention under pressure by a mile,was watching him 2nd half,he kept ball made spce for a pass and no one in front of him 80% of the time moved short or ling  or pointed where they wanted it so then he has to check and go back or sideways..

No his fault he's playing with idiots.....Reach,Palmer,Windass,Harris..Brainless.....Only Rhodes took it from him to feet...

UTO

[Guest The Claw]

2 minutes ago, Doctor Duran said:

A floated 50 yard pass from Bannan after picking it up from Lees just outside our box, which is then

easily judged by the oppo defenders and making the forward run null and void.

 

Windass / Harris were doing this last night but the ball never gets to them as we have slowed it down to a snail pace.

So obvious to see

yes darren

[WhiteOwl91]

Surely some people on here have played in sides, not even just football, where theyre a good side and you did well in it, getting the best out of you. 

 

Then you play for a crap side and find it much harder to shine because people aren't able to hold the ball the same, dont make the same runs etc, so it holds you back and impacts your game?

 

Some players, it doesn't matter too much. Generally more physical players. 

Players like Bannan are always going to be impacted with sides like this. 

[Doctor Duran]

3 minutes ago, vulva said:

He’s clearly told to do it, so it’s a tactical thing. And every manager we’ve had, and we’ve had a few, think it’s the best thing to do.  
 

Agree re captain. Never been a captain. But then again, I don’t see anyone else anywhere near the job. 

 

I'm not sure he is told to do this..  just gives it I'm the best player and Captain and basically does what he wants.

 

Monk / Pulis / Thompson and now Moore -  I cannot believe all those managers and our tacticians can not see it does not work..   I think when Moore pulled Bannan off in his first game I though oh yes someone who doesn't like whats happening.  Now Bannan seems to have won that little battle and does what he wants again.

 

[Animis]

Just now, WhiteOwl91 said:

Surely some people on here have played in sides, not even just football, where theyre a good side and you did well in it, getting the best out of you. 

 

Then you play for a crap side and find it much harder to shine because people aren't able to hold the ball the same, dont make the same runs etc, so it holds you back and impacts your game?

 

Some players, it doesn't matter too much. Generally more physical players. 

Players like Bannan are always going to be impacted with sides like this. 

 

DC and Paxo must have read a pretty impressive bed-time storey of 'wonderful times to come' for him to sign up for another 2 years.

[83owl]

12 minutes ago, jacko1992 said:

Bannan bashing time, seems to be this seasons scapegoat. He's surrounded by muck. Had he joined Brentford we'd be seeing him control games no doubt.

Can’t see why they would drop anyone to accommodate him to be honest.

[Philb125]

Just now, WhiteOwl91 said:

Surely some people on here have played in sides, not even just football, where theyre a good side and you did well in it, getting the best out of you. 

 

Then you play for a crap side and find it much harder to shine because people aren't able to hold the ball the same, dont make the same runs etc, so it holds you back and impacts your game?

 

Some players, it doesn't matter too much. Generally more physical players. 

Players like Bannan are always going to be impacted with sides like this. 

So why keep him? Why play him? He’s a good player in a good team but he’s doing nothing in this team. Isn’t that the problem? He’s not suited to us at this moment, he isn’t up to or up for the battle. He isn’t able to take a touch and play a short simple forward ball, instead playing it to Lees or Hutch or Borner to play it for him. That’s fine, let’s get rid. try and build a team of players that compliment each other, not pay 20k a week on someone who can’t work with those around him. 
 

Barnsley’s entire midfield cost as much as Bannan in terms of salary. Let that sink in and ask do we get value for money from him? 

[Emilianenko]

31 minutes ago, Costello 77 said:

Playing passes around in our third of the field is a gift for opposition teams.

I've yet to hear a good reason why we do it.

It gets Bazzas pass completion stats up

[WhiteOwl91]

16 minutes ago, Philb125 said:

So why keep him? Why play him? He’s a good player in a good team but he’s doing nothing in this team. Isn’t that the problem? He’s not suited to us at this moment, he isn’t up to or up for the battle. He isn’t able to take a touch and play a short simple forward ball, instead playing it to Lees or Hutch or Borner to play it for him. That’s fine, let’s get rid. try and build a team of players that compliment each other, not pay 20k a week on someone who can’t work with those around him. 
 

Barnsley’s entire midfield cost as much as Bannan in terms of salary. Let that sink in and ask do we get value for money from him? 

Surely the problem is that we've not recruited the right players to play next to him and compliment him? 

Why would you buy players to compliment Pelupessy for example? 

 

Instead of blaming Bannan and his salary, blame whats been brought in around him and peepeed up the wall. 

 

This team would be even worse without Bannan. Nobody else even wants the ball, let alone able to control it or actually hold on to it. 

 

If we spent bannans wages on 3x players for the same expense, who are all up and coming, talented players then fine. But wheres the evidence that we will even get close to that? 

 

We'd end up recruiting another JP or another David Jones type player whos over the hill.

[Costello 77]

1 minute ago, Emilianenko said:

It gets Bazzas pass completion stats up

Imagine being an opposing coach tho...a couple of times round the mixer in the least threatening area on the pitch and then a hopeful punt squirted out which gives you possession back.

It's the easiest afternoon you'll get.