Big Malc Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 22 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Europe for Celtic is no big deal, it's like saying it would be a good idea to join TNS as they're in Europe every year... Currently he would not be near that 1st team anyway, and that is a poor Celtic side. SPL is championship standard at best, and the bottom sides lower than that. No reason why he wouldn’t get 1st team games for Celtic if he’s playing regular championship games for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Minton said: If it's a pre-contract agreement then it's a transfer, they would have to go to a tribunal if it's just a case of signing him on contract expiry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, Big Malc said: SPL is championship standard at best, and the bottom sides lower than that. No reason why he wouldn’t get 1st team games for Celtic if he’s playing regular championship games for us. Celtic/Rangers are low end Premier league I would say so that's why I reckon he would struggle to get in the side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 43 minutes ago, Nostalgic Owl said: I think the issue is we didnt offer a contract so we get no fee and no sell on fee in future. While we are ******** broke and staring into abyss. And the fact we dont learn lessons. Even if Shaw doesnt become a world beater the inevitable fizz up is infuriating. If he was or it is demonstrated we were in the process of offering an improved deal then than the one he’s on we’d be sue compensation. But given Scotland is another country the amount is minimal whereas if he moved to say Liverpool they’d probably have to pay us a reasonable fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, 2roland2 said: i don’t think the plan was to go to Belgium it was a back door to get out of the circus as we all knew. pits clear to see it’s the same problem time and again, as sally said it’s irrelevant if he ends up good or not it was the same with Clare. I just found it incredibly sad that our fan base who rightly so worshipped the best striker of at least the last 40 years took such a dim view of him protecting his son against our owner. when people can now clearly see the behaviour at the club I am hoping some can at least see him again for what he was. A Wednesday legend. I think you can tell from my user name that I have always been a big fan of Hirst but seeing the best way of protecting his son as taking a course that involved a year in the Belgian second division wasn't something I was comfortable with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hookowl said: It was you who compared this to the Hirst saga. No I’m comparing our inability to keep hold of our brightest young prospects. Don’t give a crap what they end up doing. More concerned we continue to let players run down their contract with no proactive thinking or forward planning. We had 8 first team players out of contract playing the other night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Malc Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Celtic/Rangers are low end Premier league I would say so that's why I reckon he would struggle to get in the side. That’s arguable, but the rest of the opposition are dross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brommers Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Yeh that is why I don't think it should be compared to Hirst. We've seen far more from Shaw than we ever did Hirst. I side with DC on the Hirst issue, however I am not really sure what's happening on this one I sense that Chansiri is more to blame. Us losing Shaw is not justification that Chansiri was wrong on Hirst... 2 different situations. DC will have no idea about how good our young prospects are. Surely it's the responsibility of the coaching staff to be pushing for better contracts for any young starlet. Maybe they have and DC said xxxx off, we don't know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, Big Malc said: That’s arguable, but the rest of the opposition are dross. I agree, they're a bit funny, when you look at their players you think it's Championship level but then European results suggest lower end Premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: There are 2 choices when signing an out of contract u23 player. Either the clubs agree a fee (including future clauses) or it goes to a tribunal and they determine a fee and clauses. It's possible we have chosen the former after dealing with a tribunal with Hirst. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horny owl Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Chansiri and his team will sort out the best deal for us don’t worry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 F*** off Chansiri, just f*** off. Good luck Liam in your future career and please come back at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Are those players out of contract any good? Why are you trying to defend our brightest prospect in years and a boyhood Wednesday fan running down his contract which means the club won’t get a transfer fee from him? History is repeating just like with Hirst and just like with Clare. Just like the fact the whole first team is not getting paid on time and is also out of contract while we’re fighting for our lives to stay in the division. What are you trying to defend here? I hope not for Shaws career. The Rovrum fans do not rate Hirst at all. Where is Clare playing these days.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Minton said: There are 2 choices when signing an out of contract u23 player. Either the clubs agree a fee (including future clauses) or it goes to a tribunal and they determine a fee and clauses. It's possible we have chosen the former after dealing with a tribunal with Hirst. Fair enough. I’m just going on what the article states - I’m assuming the reporter has inside knowledge and has fact checked it. He states that the fee will only be 300k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Don't blame the kid one bit. He's a young lad with his whole career in front of him. I hope he makes it and does well. You could go on about the poo show we are as to why he hasn't signed. Was it a p1ss poor deal? was he made aware of Celtic interest within last few days? One thing is for certain, it should not have been left this long. Don't suppose we will ever get to know. Good luck lad. Made the right decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Malc Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Ellis Rimmer said: I agree, they're a bit funny, when you look at their players you think it's Championship level but then European results suggest lower end Premier league. But of the only two decent sides in the league, he’s playing for one of them. If he didn’t start a derby that wouldn’t be surprising, but it wouldn’t be a step up playing against the bottom half sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horny owl Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 For the first time in my life I wouldn’t want to play for us either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, Gob_Bluth said: I think we fizzed up the Hirst situation and we've fizzed up this situation. Regardless of how Hirst has done since Harsh lessons should have been learned the first time around, the same thing happening second and third times is just pure incompetency and negligence. If this happened at a proper business, they'd be a root and stem investigation into the cause and policies put in place to make sure it doesn't happen again A talented but junior employee chooses to leave a £25m company and you really think it would warrant a root and branch investigation? Come on mate. The club is a mess but at least let us supporters try and stay real in the midst of the madness. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Celtic/Rangers are low end Premier league I would say so that's why I reckon he would struggle to get in the side. Josh Windass was a star player for Rangers. Its a Championship level league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, Big Malc said: But of the only two decent sides in the league, he’s playing for one of them. If he didn’t start a derby that wouldn’t be surprising, but it wouldn’t be a step up playing against the bottom half sides. I don't think he does play for them, I think we are over exaggerating his level. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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