quinnssweetshop Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) Let's be honest Chansiri - Doesn't give a F Paxo - Doesn't give a F Edited January 30, 2021 by quinnssweetshop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A E Neuman NYowl Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, Minton said: The club will get a fee for him and we will get a sell-on clause inserted, along with future solidarity payments for any transfer he makes before he turns 23. We offered him a deal, Celtic have offered him a better one. I fail to see how this is unprofessional. People are butthurt because we might be losing a decent prospect, but it's hardly unusual in football and we aren't the only club in this situation. For me the thing that is annoying as that for very little cost in the big scheme of things players with potential should be offered better contracts before the last 6 months of their contract. United do it all the time and it is the revenue they generate from the youngsters with potential that kept them going for years. People may say well look at George Hirst, he hasn't made it yet. Agree but if we had him tied down we could have then sold him 2 years ago for at least a couple of million, imagine how valuable that money would have been. Not only for paying wages etc but also for our FFP situation. We on the other hand would rather spend that money on a loan player who is just back from long term injury as all we ever do is look for the quick fix. 5 years and we have learned nothing on how a club the size of Wednesday need to operate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Bonvin Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Silkstone Owl said: Probably gone for a bigger ‘payday’ although that’s not exactly hard good luck to the lad You mean he’s probably gone for a full payday. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, 2roland2 said: I think it was the only way around it for him, obv this is just my view. Problem is it’s quite clear from the turnover of staff and also players leaving like this that somebody has a problem in negotiating without falling out with folk. sad situation all round because this doesn’t seem to have an end to this happening with either youngsters, senior players and or staff. He could have gone directly to Leicester and they would have to have paid a tribunal fee, which would have been a relative drop in the ocean for a club in their position but all conspired to avoid that fee. Like I said before, nobody came out of that smelling of roses. Said when Shaw's proposed move came to light that very little we have done in recent years in terms of retaining development players, recruiting players and moving players on at an optimal time has been successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Mcguigan said: Josh Windass was a star player for Rangers. Its a Championship level league. The league is lower than Championship level, Celtic and Rangers are currently low end Premier League, that's why they win virtually all of their games. Windass was a much better player back then but it was still when Rangers were coming back up. He wouldn't get in the Rangers side now for instance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brommers Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, theowlsman said: F*** off Chansiri, just f*** off. Good luck Liam in your future career and please come back at some point. How do you know it's Chanseri's fault in this situation? No longer a fan of his myself but tired of the assumptions many are jumping to so they can continue the DCs a xxxxxxx narrative. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 part of me thinks that it was inevitable and would have left to someone - even Rotherham for Championship football next season. Part of me thinks the club have not done anywhere near enough to get him signed up and make him our savior. Instead we let him drift away and bring back a guy who couldn't get a game in the Maltese league. Good luck to Liam if this goes through. He'll always be an Owl and probably carve out a very good career. I certainly think he's the best prospect we've brought through in decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, Big Malc said: That’s arguable, but the rest of the opposition are dross. The opposition are probably League One standard but Celtic and Rangers are certainly above our current standard. He is unlikely to break into the Celtic side immediately, otherwise they would look to pay a nominal fee for him now. Even the Celtic sites that broke this story describe it as a signing for the future, they aren't expecting him to be a squad regular straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I asked the question earlier, Who is Shaw's agent?. Has he any connection to the club?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, A E Neuman NYowl said: For me the thing that is annoying as that for very little cost in the big scheme of things players with potential should be offered better contracts before the last 6 months of their contract. United do it all the time and it is the revenue they generate from the youngsters with potential that kept them going for years. People may say well look at George Hirst, he hasn't made it yet. Agree but if we had him tied down we could have then sold him 2 years ago for at least a couple of million, imagine how valuable that money would have been. Not only for paying wages etc but also for our FFP situation. We on the other hand would rather spend that money on a loan player who is just back from long term injury as all we ever do is look for the quick fix. 5 years and we have learned nothing on how a club the size of Wednesday need to operate. United haven't sold a player they've developed since Ramsdale, Calvert-Lewin and Che Adams in 16/17 (Brooks doesn't count, they signed him from Man City) and they got a grand total of £4.9m for all 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonbones Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Last few times i've logged onto here, i've seen worse and worse news. I have a choice, remain permanently logged in or don't come back for a few weeks! I could not feel more despondent right now and I know we aren't even rock bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, hirstyboywonder said: The opposition are probably League One standard but Celtic and Rangers are certainly above our current standard. He is unlikely to break into the Celtic side immediately, otherwise they would look to pay a nominal fee for him now. Even the Celtic sites that broke this story describe it as a signing for the future, they aren't expecting him to be a squad regular straight away. Celtic are only doing what we should have been doing for the last 40 years. Bring in young players, develop them and sell them on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, Animis said: part of me thinks that it was inevitable and would have left to someone - even Rotherham for Championship football next season. Part of me thinks the club have not done anywhere near enough to get him signed up and make him our savior. Instead we let him drift away and bring back a guy who couldn't get a game in the Maltese league. Good luck to Liam if this goes through. He'll always be an Owl and probably carve out a very good career. I certainly think he's the best prospect we've brought through in decades. Me too. Was looking forward to him developing in our first team and turning into a top rate player. We eventually produce something from the youth set up who has the potential to excite, and we immediately let him go. Meantime, we rely on signing players like Pelupessy. Not got a bleeding clue. And that’s why I’m pished off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: No I’m comparing our inability to keep hold of our brightest young prospects. Don’t give a crap what they end up doing. More concerned we continue to let players run down their contract with no proactive thinking or forward planning. We had 8 first team players out of contract playing the other night. I still don't think the Hirst saga is relevant, that was more about the amount of money involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Brommers said: How do you know it's Chanseri's fault in this situation? No longer a fan of his myself but tired of the assumptions many are jumping to so they can continue the DCs a xxxxxxx narrative. Lets see if he is in the squad this afternoon. A mysterious shoulder injury that wasn't reported previously has kept him out since rumours of a move elsewhere and the failure to sign a new contract with us came to light. Maybe he has been given the cold shoulder like others have in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lord Snooty Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Yeh that is why I don't think it should be compared to Hirst. We've seen far more from Shaw than we ever did Hirst. I side with DC on the Hirst issue, however I am not really sure what's happening on this one I sense that Chansiri is more to blame. Us losing Shaw is not justification that Chansiri was wrong on Hirst... 2 different situations. Each case as it comes, I agree. Shaw isn't a kid in the reserves that no one knows about. He's a first team squad player. A young first team squad player. We have sat here and moaned about our aging crocks over the past two or 3 years. Sat in the sick bay on large contracts doing nothing to help the first team while coining it in. We have weekly threads moaning about Pelupessy. Yet here we are. About to let a young first team player slip away for what will amount to a pittance... That's the real issue. It's not really about Shaw or whether he will make it as such. No, It's about this being another glaring example, a light house flashing warning , about our rocks of doom that are our " business model" 8 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Malc Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, hirstyboywonder said: The opposition are probably League One standard but Celtic and Rangers are certainly above our current standard. He is unlikely to break into the Celtic side immediately, otherwise they would look to pay a nominal fee for him now. Even the Celtic sites that broke this story describe it as a signing for the future, they aren't expecting him to be a squad regular straight away. Yeah, I’m not suggesting he’s at at the same standard of Celtic’s 1st team regulars, but if they want to stick him in against lower SPL sides to develop he wouldn’t be facing anything above the level he’s already played at with us, and he’d have better team-mates around him. He could be brought through, I don’t think he would just go straight into the reserves for a year and then be loaned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Minton said: United haven't sold a player they've developed since Ramsdale, Calvert-Lewin and Che Adams in 16/17 (Brooks doesn't count, they signed him from Man City) and they got a grand total of £4.9m for all 3. What is the grand total of our income from development squad sales in the past decade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brommers Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: Lets see if he is in the squad this afternoon. A mysterious shoulder injury that wasn't reported previously has kept him out since rumours of a move elsewhere and the failure to sign a new contract with us came to light. Maybe he has been given the cold shoulder like others have in the past. More assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 This is really sad. Would have built a team around him next year , probably in L1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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