pat blondeau Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Steve Down South said: Can anyone explain what penalty we have avoided (so far) by selling the ground? Would we have been back in embargo, subject to a points deduction or possibly both? Just trying to understand how we have benefited to date by our questionable accounting treatment of the sale. FFP breach would have been 12 points I think without the ground sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: But we could find someone better who wants to run the club in a more sustainable way, and have better relationships with fans, and not hoard players etc etc etc He took us in a direction we have never travelled and it nearly paid off. As I have said all along some of his decisions are very ill informed and ill thought out. I totally agree that we should have moved players on at times but if we had sold our better players when we were knocking on the door there would have been uproar amongst the fanbase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr. benway Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Genuine question as I know very little about the ins and outs of running a business, but in the case of a sole owner are there legal protections that prevent the owner from winding up the company themselves in order to cut losses? For reference I’m not suggesting Chansiri would even contemplate such a thing, but I’m interested in the actual legal possibilities for a company owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, pat blondeau said: FFP breach would have been 12 points I think without the ground sale Yet Forest, QPR and Brum all got very differing penalties despite all breaking FFP. Only Brum were deducted points which was only 9 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Just now, dr. benway said: Genuine question as I know very little about the ins and outs of running a business, but in the case of a sole owner are there legal protections that prevent the owner from winding up the company themselves in order to cut losses? For reference I’m not suggesting Chansiri would even contemplate such a thing, but I’m interested in the actual legal possibilities for a company owner. There is legislation in place yes but there is always the administration route etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, soldierboyblue said: He took us in a direction we have never travelled and it nearly paid off. As I have said all along some of his decisions are very ill informed and ill thought out. I totally agree that we should have moved players on at times but if we had sold our better players when we were knocking on the door there would have been uproar amongst the fanbase I think a more accurate summary of his time at the club would be an overall picture, the results, the financial situation, the selling of the ground, the EFL charges. That would be a more fair way to view his time here rather than just a couple of points Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: The two things are totally different things I keep getting told this but I don’t see how it is? Surely the individuals charged for misconduct were the main orchestrators of the original transaction as they were the most senior administrative figures at the club? They’re no longer being charged which suggests they weren’t guilty of the charges they were originally facing? And before someone turns around and says it may have been down to lack of evidence then that suggests the evidence to go after the club is also not strong enough or doesn’t exist? Anyway I’m going to try and seek a soak in Jackie’s Jewish Bath and have a good old chuckle at Gibson going from Pulis to Woodgate to Warnock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: I think a more accurate summary of his time at the club would be an overall picture, the results, the financial situation, the selling of the ground, the EFL charges. That would be a more fair way to view his time here rather than just a couple of points I agree pal but lets be clear also - if he had mired the club with hundreds of millions of debt (Glazers at Man Utd) then I would be singing a very different tune 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: We could find someone better We could. but we could also end up with some worse. Let's see what happens in the summer in terms of investment from him. If we are able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said: Yet Forest, QPR and Brum all got very differing penalties despite all breaking FFP. Only Brum were deducted points which was only 9 points. but our punishment would probably be worse because of putting our ground sale in the wrong years accounts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: One thing I hate more than anything else being a Sheffield Wednesday fan is when politics, finance and stuff the board/chairman does takes over. Supporting football should be about supporting the players on the pitch, wanting them to score cracking goals, wanting to keep clean sheets with great tackles and saves. Not all this nonsense about which club can lose the most money legally, transfer embargoes, selling our ground to ourselves, strange sponsorships Can't wait for it all to go back to just being about blue and white stripes and kicking a football Football needs to hit the reset button and return to being a game for the supporters instead of the out of control greed and parasite infested disgrace it has become. The governing bodies have no control of what's happening, the premier league rule the roost. Football shouldn't be played behind closed doors, yet here we are with the premier league bowing to their paymasters at Sky because of money. The game is fooked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Just now, WalthamOwl said: but our punishment would probably be worse because of putting our ground sale in the wrong years accounts? Yep. Its worrying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Down South Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, pat blondeau said: FFP breach would have been 12 points I think without the ground sale So if that’s the case (I’ve no reason to doubt you) we would probably have been relegated without the sale. It feels like we’re screwed one way or another, just a question of if we’ve managed to kick the can down the road a little by selling the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, WalthamOwl said: but our punishment would probably be worse because of putting our ground sale in the wrong years accounts? No as it relates to the same charge breaching P&S rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Just now, Steve Down South said: we would probably have been relegated without the sale Why would that be the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toppOwl Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 47 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: People were saying that when Dave Allen was getting the black balloon treatment We were told nobody would buy us We were told nobody would put their money into us It's just fearmongering and is never accurate or realistic To be fair I don't remember anyone saying this, I was more surprised with our potential that no one actually did, there were a few false dawns back then but it was never totally dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gizowl Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Don't know what the outcome is going to be but I've just been given next seasons fixture list, we are away at Chesterfield on boxing day and the home fixture is Easter Saturday. Well that's something to look forward to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Just now, toppOwl said: To be fair I don't remember anyone saying this I do Repeatedly The black balloon campaign got crucified online by people saying that we should keep Dave because nobody else would come, nobody would buy us, nobody would put money in like Dave did etc etc It was all over the place 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philb125 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Not read the 20 odd pages...... any update from the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toppOwl Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Football needs to hit the reset button and return to being a game for the supporters instead of the out of control greed and parasite infested disgrace it has become. The governing bodies have no control of what's happening, the premier league rule the roost. Football shouldn't be played behind closed doors, yet here we are with the premier league bowing to their paymasters at Sky because of money. The game is fooked. 100% agree, the "Big 6" in the Prem are the governing bodies only concern, everything else is irrelevant. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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