shezzas left peg Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 51 minutes ago, deano said: Bizarre that he's not playing left back, did really well when he came into team and gave us a genuine option. Looks a little lost when played elsewhere. Jos is doing to Penney exactly what Carlos did with Reach, insisting on playing him everywhere and anywhere, never letting the lad find his feet. He's been a totally different player since he's been messed about less. Now penney Looked comfortable and at ease when brought in initially with Thornily as his cb, they had an understanding from playing together and both seemed to thrive. I think jos the rotator needs to keep the two of them playing together regularly as a Lcb & Lb pairing together and they will both flourish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblueowl Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, Ash76 said: Thought him and Thorniley were our 2 most consistent performers tonight You're right Thorniley was consistently good Baker was consistently poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scilly owl Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 52 minutes ago, ChinaOwl said: Jos and football management don't belong in the same sentence. Heavy snowfall and Sahara Desert don’t belong in the same sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Penney was finding himself in the centre. Just like he was against United. Its not his position and we’re in danger of ruining a genuinely talented lad. In and out the team, changing his position every other week, taking him off at half time. It’s poor management. Don’t start him if he’s not ready. Or just play him left back where he was beginning to find his feet before the constant chopping and changing to the defence. We ruin young players at Wednesday, and the comments in this thread back that up. If he's playing poo you take him off. Doesn't matter if he's 20 or 35, you don't stay on if you're playing poor. The change was the ideal one to make too, to go more attacking on the left wing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, shezzas left peg said: Jos is doing to Penney exactly what Carlos did with Reach, insisting on playing him everywhere and anywhere, never letting the lad find his feet. He's been a totally different player since he's been messed about less. Now penney Looked comfortable and at ease when brought in initially with Thornily as his cb, they had an understanding from playing together and both seemed to thrive. I think jos the rotator needs to keep the two of them playing together regularly as a Lcb & Lb pairing together and they will both flourish. I would agree but the manager doesn’t have a clue. i don’t think I’ve ever been more frustrated with a manager. no consistency - no structure - no strategy. its as bad as it gets. using the “he promoted the youth” argument has now also worn thin. he picks baker over Palmer when he’s an inferior player, he found a player in Penney and has moved him round so much he’s lost his way. He over promoted Kirby hunt nielsen and shaw all of who’s confidence has probably taken a kicking. only thorniley and Dawson have shown they might be up to it. Edited November 27, 2018 by ka58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblueowl Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, hugeowl said: Thats your opinion fair enough even though you are wrong , but your spelling is appalling . Stuck your spalling up yourrre arsa. If you think he's good enough pal then that's you're opinion. I'm saying he isn't good enough at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblueowl Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, ka58 said: Hes quicker, passes the ball better, gets forward more and is far more experienced. Yes but other than that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, ka58 said: I would agree but the manager doesn’t have a clue. i don’t think I’ve ever been more frustrated with a manager. no consistency - no structure - no strategy. its as bad as it gets. using the “he promoted the youth” argument has now also worn thin. he picks baker over Palmer when he’s an inferior player, he found a player in Penney and has moved him round so much he’s lost his way. He over promoted Kirby hunt nielsen and shaw all of who’s confidence has probably taken a kicking. only thorniley and Dawson have shown they might be up to it. Its about getting the balance right between youth and experience, yet not playing youngsters way out of position when they're still learning their game, as we both agree is detrimental also to their development. As for Palmer & Baker, we as usual got our recruitment wrong by not signing him permanently and signing Van-Abdi mk2 who looked lost and is always injured, as I think with Venancio as his cb guiding, talking and helping him positionally really helped him out and he looked far better last season. Its also been effecting Tom lees having to try look after the lad as he really isn't captain material and struggles in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Thornily was outstanding. Penney wouldn’t have coped with Ameobi if he had played full back Penney is not good enough in a more forward position given the other options we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffield_dave Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I think most seem to be slowly coming to the realisation that simply putting youth players in the team isn’t enough by itself. Jos might have given some of these lads their break, but can you honestly say he’s the best man to coach or manage them? Would the players themselves even say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 The thing is with putting youth players into a team... IMHO... You try them one at a time, into a TEAM that is playing for each other, in a system they have been used to, which they will learn from. We have just thrown ours into a total mess, then expect them to perform like Giggs, Scholes Beckham, Neville and others i have probarbly missed, did for Man U. Apart from Thorniley, we are (and so are they themselves to a certain extent) killing their career because we are just shoving them all over the place, with no tactics whatsoever, that doesn't mean they shouldn't try 100%, which some are not doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Penney needs to go back out on loan, or at least get a few U23 games. He looks way out of his depth at the moment and needs to rediscover his form at a level more suited to his current ability. Looks to me that his early performances were a bit of a flash in the pan. To be fair, it should have happened two months ago - unfortunately we took a much worse approach of shifting him around to all kinds of positions, which seems to have compounded the issue. Needs to go out to a lower level and play 20-odd games in the same position and then see how we does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Again , just another excuse to pull the manager to bits. I don’t agree with jos for picking him or baker , neither are good enough . Can’t moan for taking a player off who’s struggling at half time though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I can see why we seem to want to make him the next Adam Reach as they have similar attributes. But for whatever reason he hasn’t looked comfortable playing further forward without the benefit of the overlap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl84 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 In a ideally world he would be sent out on loan to League One unfortunately because of the situation we find ourselves in we aren't able to do that or whatever reason. So it's sink or swim for him but after swimming i think he is slowly sinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 9 hours ago, Slogboy said: Needs to be played in his best position LB. We are running him big time! If LB is his best position well he needs to go away and learn how to defend and not get caught on his heels all the time. Those clamouring to get the youngsters in are realising that it ain’t easy at this level and nothing is given but needs to be earned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I don't think he's good enough for left back! Think he might end up making a good central midfielder but needs to bulk up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 7 hours ago, Slogboy said: Needed to take other 10 off then cos they were all very poor. Even bannan and reachy Only Lees and Dawson came out that first half with any credit IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, Slogboy said: WOW! Welcome back busyowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philb125 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 So to surmise: Penney starts in place of FF - People moan Penney not having great game, replaced by FF - People moan Who’d be a manager?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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