Worst Sheffield Wednesday Managers

[Nero]

David Pleat. If he were an ice cream he'd lick himself. 

Instead of getting in his car and getting  that....... no better stop there. 

[BenOwl1867]

How are people putting Carlos in the worst list?

Team	From	To	Record					Ref
			P	W	D	L	Win %
Sheffield Wednesday	30 June 2015	Present	129	56	38	35	43.4

 

In comparison to this list

Name	Nat	From	To	Record
				P	W	L	D	Win%
Arthur Dickinson		1 August 1891	31 May 1920	919	393	338	188	42.27%
Robert Brown		1 June 1920	1 December 1933	600	266	199	135	44.33%
Eric Taylor		1 April 1942	31 July 1958	539	196	215	128	36.36%
Jack Charlton		8 October 1977	27 May 1983	269	105	77	87	39.03%
Howard Wilkinson		24 June 1983	10 October 1988	255	114	73	68	44.70%
Trevor Francis		7 June 1991	20 May 1995	214	88	58	68	41.12%

 

 

Before I get super negged, just the facts not stating I am a Carlos in but just a comparison

 

 

Edited December 14, 2017 by BenOwl1867
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[matthefish2002]

38 minutes ago, ramone said:

Lovely bloke Peter Eustace. Lives in my village. 

 

Fun fact - My middle name is Peter, born 5/3/86, manager at the time was... Yep, you guessed it, Peter Eustace. 

 

Howard Wilkinson was manager on that date in 1986.

[ramone]

2 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said:

 

Howard Wilkinson was manager on that date in 1986.

Well my Dad has lied to me for nearly 32 years

[TrickyTrev]

1 hour ago, markowl said:

If you read the thread it says 'not including Carlos'

Yes it does but I decided to put my 5 in and he’s in there.

 

Please note I haven’t however included managers I was too young to remember and/or wasn’t alive for.

[alanharper]

47 minutes ago, ramone said:

Well my Dad has lied to me for nearly 32 years

 

Eustace was manager in 88/89. Well, for about five or six months of that season anyway.

[Lord Snooty]

Some of them had more to do than others. It's not just about what money you spend.

Though obviously that can make a difference.

I think in the post Prem years Irvine has to be the worst for me. 

Constantly talking the opposition up. Always making it feel like we were just lucky to be on the same pitch as Orient or whoever. 

Very poor. 

 

 

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They've (The Board) have been living in never-never land for so long. Now it's time to get real."  The club has bought players who have not been up to it and handed them fantastic wages. Some of those players did not deserve those wages. But you can't just blame them. They were offered wages when the club were in the Premiership and without doubt it is not just the current board who are responsible."

Peter Shreeves, Paul Jewell and myself and now Chris Turner have been asked to work miracles. The fans have endured three or four seasons now of football that has not been of a high standard. But one thing in Chris Turner's favour now is that there are no players left on big wages. The likes of Gerald Sibon, Phil O'Donnell and Simon Donnelly will have all gone at the end of the season and there's a chance the club can turn it round."

Terry Yorath

 

 

Terry Yorath, Peter Shreeves and Paul Jewell were battling against the financial position. They had a lot of players signed during the Premiership days on high salaries who wouldn’t or couldn’t be moved on. From what I’ve heard , a number weren’t interested in playing or training. The difficulties they had were insurmountable. Peter Shreeves inherited a squad of players who had three years on their contracts who weren’t doing the business. While managers came and went, these players stayed.

Chris Turner

 

 

 At Sheffield Wednesday I knew as soon as I got there that the whole club was rotten to the core. I had to have a wall knocked down at the training ground because the foreign lads had one room and the English lads had the other. Wouldn't even sit together. No one got on. There was massive disparity in wages and contracts. Some didn't want to train. Some didn't even want to play!  Some of the worst pros I've ever seen.

De Bilde had done nothing, the teams gone down and he's demanding a move back to the Premier League. 

I fixed him up with three months on loan at Aston Villa, but when I called him in to tell him, he said: ‘I’ve got a problem. I’ve got nobody to look after my dogs if I go there’. I said, ‘Give us your house keys, I’ll feed the bloody dogs’. That was the sort of thing I was up against.

The chairman did me a big favour when he sacked me! The hardest and I must say , most impossible job I've had. That job at that time was impossible for anybody. The best thing about that club is the fans.

Paul Jewell

 

[Belfast Owl 2]

2 hours ago, BenOwl1867 said:

How are people putting Carlos in the worst list?

Team	From	To	Record					Ref
			P	W	D	L	Win %
Sheffield Wednesday	30 June 2015	Present	129	56	38	35	43.4

 

In comparison to this list

Name	Nat	From	To	Record
				P	W	L	D	Win%
Arthur Dickinson		1 August 1891	31 May 1920	919	393	338	188	42.27%
Robert Brown		1 June 1920	1 December 1933	600	266	199	135	44.33%
Eric Taylor		1 April 1942	31 July 1958	539	196	215	128	36.36%
Jack Charlton		8 October 1977	27 May 1983	269	105	77	87	39.03%
Howard Wilkinson		24 June 1983	10 October 1988	255	114	73	68	44.70%
Trevor Francis		7 June 1991	20 May 1995	214	88	58	68	41.12%

 

 

Before I get super negged, just the facts not stating I am a Carlos in but just a comparison

 

 

 

Because people think because he got money we should walk the league.

 

Even though we weren't the biggest spenders.

 

 

[BenOwl1867]

1 hour ago, Belfast Owl 2 said:

 

Because people think because he got money we should walk the league.

 

Even though we weren't the biggest spenders.

 

 

Bang on its tough tough league with a lot of money around it. We have spent a load but do not have the income (parachute payments) like others do

[Stoop]

Irvine was the worst I’ve ever seen in my time watching Wednesday. He’s the only manager who I’ve chanted out, which was after Leyton Orient put 4 past us in 2011

[fredmciverslovechild]

49 minutes ago, Stoop said:

Irvine was the worst I’ve ever seen in my time watching Wednesday. He’s the only manager who I’ve chanted out, which was after Leyton Orient put 4 past us in 2011

 

....one of which was Harry Kane's first senior goal.

[MalagaOwl]

For me, Wilson. Arrive at a team with flair. Muttered "fancy dans" and then signed Giles de f**king bilde

[Steelman]

Eustace.

[Lincs Owl]

21 hours ago, s8owl75 said:

The Cult Of Megson will be pleased to know Lord Megson still holds a 45% win rate second to only to two other Wednesday Managers, who I doubt are interested in the job.

 

Worst Manager by Win Rate is Peter Eustace. 2 wins in 18 games. An 11% win rate which is 8% worse than his closest contender. Quite remarkable... 

 

Terry Yorath, I salute you. I take it all back. Terry managed to improve Paul "Round Head" Jewell's 55% loss rate by a full 10%. (I'm not mentioning the win rate Terry) You raised a quite remarkable daughter too Terry. Hats off to Terry Yorath.

 

#	Name	Nationality	From	To	P	W	D	L	Win %	Loss %
16	Eustace, Peter Eustace	England	1988-10-28-28 October 1988	1989-02-14-14 February 1989	18	2	7	9	11.11	50.00
12	Burtenshaw, Steve Burtenshaw	England	1974-01-29-29 January 1974	1975-10-01-1 October 1975	68	13	17	38	19.12	55.88
10	Williams, Danny Williams	England	1969-08-01-August 1969	1971-01-01-January 1971	67	16	16	35	23.88	52.24
9	Marshall, Jack Marshall	England	1968-02-01-February 1968	1969-04-01-April 1969	48	12	16	20	25.00	41.67
24	Yorath, Terry Yorath	Wales	21-10-17-17 October 21	22-10-31-31 October 22	56	16	15	25	28.57	44.64
21	Wilson, Danny Wilson	Northern Ireland	1998-07-06-6 July 1998	20-03-21-21 March 20	80	23	17	40	28.75	50.00
25	Turner, Chris Turner	England	22-11-07-7 November 22	24-09-19-19 September 24	96	29	31	36	30.21	37.50
19	Pleat, David Pleat	England	1995-06-14-14 June 1995	1997-11-03-3 November 1997	102	32	30	40	31.37	39.22
11	Dooley, DerekDerek Dooley	England	1971-01-01-January 1971	1973-12-24-24 December 1973	130	41	35	54	31.54	41.54
22	Jewell, Paul Jewell	England	20-06-21-21 June 20	21-02-12-12 February 21	38	12	5	21	31.58	55.26
20	Atkinson, Ron Atkinson	England	1997-11-14-14 November 1997	1998-05-17-17 May 1998	27	9	7	11	33.33	40.74
26	Sturrock, Paul Sturrock	Scotland	24-09-23-23 September 24	26-10-19-19 October 26	104	35	29	40	33.65	38.46
13	Ashurst, Ron Ashurst	England	1975-10-15-15 October 1975	1977-10-05-5 October 1977	92	31	27	34	33.70	36.96
27	Laws, Brian Laws	England	26-11-06-6 November 26	29-12-13-13 December 29	154	52	42	60	33.77	38.96
8	Brown, Alan Brown	England	1964-07-01-July 1964	1968-02-01-February 1968	174	60	44	70	34.48	40.23
3	Walker, Billy Walker	England	1933-12-01-December 1933	1937-11-01-November 1937	187	66	53	68	35.29	36.36
23	Shreeves, Peter Shreeves	England	21-02-12-12 February 21	21-10-17-17 October 21	31	11	9	11	35.48	35.48
30	Jones, Dave Jones	England	2012-03-01-1 March 2012	2013-12-01-1 December 2013	81	29	22	30	35.80	37.04
5	Taylor, Eric Taylor	England	1942-04-01-April 1942	1958-07-01-July 1958	539	196	128	215	36.36	39.89
31	Gray, Stuart Gray	England	2013-12-01-1 December 2013	2015-06-11-11 June 2015	68	26	23	19	38.24	27.94
14	Charlton, Jack Charlton	England	1977-10-08-8 October 1977	1983-05-27-27 May 1983	269	105	87	77	39.03	28.62
28	Irvine, Alan Irvine	Scotland	2010-01-08-8 January 2010	2011-02-03-3 February 2011	59	24	13	22	40.68	37.29
18	Francis, Trevor Francis	England	1991-06-07-7 June 1991	1995-05-20-20 May 1995	214	88	68	58	41.12	27.10
17	Atkinson, Ron Atkinson	England	1989-02-14-14 February 1989	1991-06-06-6 June 1991	118	49	35	34	41.53	28.81
1	Dickinson, Arthur Dickinson	England	1891-08-01-August 1891	1920-05-01-May 1920	919	393	188	338	42.76	36.78
4	McMullan, Jimmy McMullan	Scotland	1937-12-01-December 1937	1942-04-01-April 1942	77	33	23	21	42.86	27.27
32	Carvalhal, Carlos Carvalhal	Portugal	2015-06-30-30 June 2015	Present	129	56	38	35	43.41	27.13
2	Brown, Robert Brown	England	1920-06-01-June 1920	1933-12-01-December 1933	600	266	135	199	44.33	33.17
15	Wilkinson, Howard Wilkinson	England	1983-06-24-24 June 1983	1988-10-10-10 October 1988	255	114	68	73	44.71	28.63
29	Megson, Gary Megson	England	2011-02-04-4 February 2011	2012-02-29-29 February 2012	62	28	12	22	45.16	35.48
7	Buckingham, Vic Buckingham	England	1961-05-01-May 1961	1964-03-01-March 1964	134	63	24	47	47.01	35.07
6	Catterick, Harry Catterick	England	1958-08-01-August 1958	1961-04-01-April 1961	138	77	31	30	55.80	21.74

Looking at that chart, I've had the misfortune to watch us under all of the worst fifteen managers in our history.  

And all of the four most successful.  

Catterick and Buckingham were the first two managers I saw us play under. 

I thought it would always be like that.  

[myHero]

19 minutes ago, Lincs Owl said:

Looking at that chart, I've had the misfortune to watch us under all of the worst fifteen managers in our history.  

And all of the four most successful.  

Catterick and Buckingham were the first two managers I saw us play under. 

I thought it would always be like that.  

It puts things into perspective 

[Utah Owl]

1 hour ago, OneDavidHirst said:

Eustace.

Did us a favour though because look who was available when he left!

[myHero]

5 hours ago, Lord Snooty said:

Some of them had more to do than others. It's not just about what money you spend.

Though obviously that can make a difference.

I think in the post Prem years Irvine has to be the worst for me. 

Constantly talking the opposition up. Always making it feel like we were just lucky to be on the same pitch as Orient or whoever. 

Very poor. 

 

 

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They've (The Board) have been living in never-never land for so long. Now it's time to get real."  The club has bought players who have not been up to it and handed them fantastic wages. Some of those players did not deserve those wages. But you can't just blame them. They were offered wages when the club were in the Premiership and without doubt it is not just the current board who are responsible."

Peter Shreeves, Paul Jewell and myself and now Chris Turner have been asked to work miracles. The fans have endured three or four seasons now of football that has not been of a high standard. But one thing in Chris Turner's favour now is that there are no players left on big wages. The likes of Gerald Sibon, Phil O'Donnell and Simon Donnelly will have all gone at the end of the season and there's a chance the club can turn it round."

Terry Yorath

 

 

Terry Yorath, Peter Shreeves and Paul Jewell were battling against the financial position. They had a lot of players signed during the Premiership days on high salaries who wouldn’t or couldn’t be moved on. From what I’ve heard , a number weren’t interested in playing or training. The difficulties they had were insurmountable. Peter Shreeves inherited a squad of players who had three years on their contracts who weren’t doing the business. While managers came and went, these players stayed.

Chris Turner

 

 

 At Sheffield Wednesday I knew as soon as I got there that the whole club was rotten to the core. I had to have a wall knocked down at the training ground because the foreign lads had one room and the English lads had the other. Wouldn't even sit together. No one got on. There was massive disparity in wages and contracts. Some didn't want to train. Some didn't even want to play!  Some of the worst pros I've ever seen.

De Bilde had done nothing, the teams gone down and he's demanding a move back to the Premier League. 

I fixed him up with three months on loan at Aston Villa, but when I called him in to tell him, he said: ‘I’ve got a problem. I’ve got nobody to look after my dogs if I go there’. I said, ‘Give us your house keys, I’ll feed the bloody dogs’. That was the sort of thing I was up against.

The chairman did me a big favour when he sacked me! The hardest and I must say , most impossible job I've had. That job at that time was impossible for anybody. The best thing about that club is the fans.

Paul Jewell

 

Paul Jewell. What a Saint willing to take De Bilde's dogs to McDonald's every day to get him off the payroll. 

 

It's worrying when you see the likes of Almen Abdi on our payroll, not putting the effort in when he's given a chance, that we may have managed to avoid a come back and gone straight back to 2001.

 

Our current  players really do owe the club big time I'm sure. Just like Wim Jonk and De Bilde et al. 

[Junglejay]

1 hour ago, fredmciverslovechild said:

 

....one of which was Harry Kane's first senior goal.

 

Never knew that, I left as soon as the 4th goal went in - total shambles.  From memory it was Reda and Madine's debuts, or at least one of their earlier games. 

[Frazzlebeak]

7 hours ago, ramone said:

Well my Dad has lied to me for nearly 32 years

Explains a few things 

[Sergeant Tibbs]

23 hours ago, A12owl said:

Danny Wilson. Couldn't handle the influx of foreign "super stars". Think it was Wilson who called them "fancy dans"

The Di  Canio .....Alcock incident was the start of our decline imo. 

So Di Canio pushing Alcock over was Wilsons fault. When the same player got sent off against Watford in the FA cup was that Big Rons fault.

If memory serves Wilson was promised 15m+ to spend and ended up with Danny Sonner in a free.