Athelwulf Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 hour ago, chizumgeorge said: I agree, but half the people on here carried on shagggin him and even now wont have it that hes doin owt wrong! Danny Boy called the Italians fancy dans...and we wound up going down, and have been down ever since. 'Arry put a certain Italian's picture on the boardroom wall. He's a cockney soft-soaper. Being a bluff northener doesn't work with the Latin races. They respond to flattery. Flogging our best player to a rival is suicide. FF's probably just pissed off with the management down there. He's probably showing what most of the players are thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Manchester_Owl said: It's been handled badly. Firstly, know one knows what he's actually done. Secondly, getting 3 points is the more important thing FF should have been in the squad. Thirdly, if it is to do with the bust up with Winnall then why have one in the squad and not the other, automatically making FF the bad guy. Lastly, as fans, we shouldn't even know about this situation, especially at 2:30pm on a Saturday before the match. Maybe because FF was the bad guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 hour ago, chizumgeorge said: Judging by the way they all shook his hand and slapped his back after the game i'd say theyre all still behind him They like him. We all like him. I like next door neighbour's dog, but I wouldn't put much faith in him getting us promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, stanningtonowl said: We ended up playing 4-3-3 today. Play FF on the left side of the front three. Don't give him any defensive duties and let him play football. He's probably fed up that Carlos relies on the left full back to create more on the wing, and wants FF to defend. Let the attackers attack and the defenders defend. Anyone with half a brain cell knows that this is Ff's best position but Carlos never plays FF in this position in that formation. You wonder what goes on in Carlos's head sometimes. Edited August 12, 2017 by Bouncing Owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chizumgeorge Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Athelwulf said: Danny Boy called the Italians fancy dans...and we wound up going down, and have been down ever since. 'Arry put a certain Italian's picture on the boardroom wall. He's a cockney soft-soaper. Being a bluff northener doesn't work with the Latin races. They respond to flattery. Flogging our best player to a rival is suicide. FF's probably just pissed off with the management down there. He's probably showing what most of the players are thinking. I dont really care what he thinks! He gets paid around 30 grand a week to do a job, and a priveledged one at that. I dont agree with everything my boss does but i dont sulk or refuse to work when i dont like something,i get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manchester_Owl Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, rickygoo said: Maybe because FF was the bad guy. Quote possibly true. But it should have been kept internal. Good management would have made sure of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Copthorneowl Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 15 minutes ago, Royal_D said: How is it Carlos Carvalhal's fault that FF spat his dummy out , again How is it that FF spat his dummy out what do you know about the training ground incident please enlighten us. All he's guilty of is answering Carlos question about his pre season and "tracking back". And for the record he puts more effort in than most and imo has no need to waste his time tracking back because his one poor skill is tackling runners. On the other hand I suspect he wins more balls from opponents than our fragile midfielders and defenders who by the way don't seem to be able to get over the half way line much of the time to support strikers do they? So it cuts two ways most of our fan base moan about forwards being supported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhopping Owl Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 If we can get a good fee for him (£10m+) and can find a non-Championship team to sell him to, I'd say get rid. Say if we got £12m for him, we could get Harlee Dean and Charlie Mulgrew as the badly needed centre backs, Jackson Irvine to add mobility and guile in midfield, or pass on one or two of the above and go for Tom Lawrence to replace FF on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanningtonowl Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, Bouncing Owl said: Anyone with half a brain cell knows that this is Ff's best position but Carlos never plays FF in this position in that formation. You wonder what goes on in Carlos's head sometimes. There seems to be a common denominator with all that's wrong at the club at the moment and for me it's Carlos. As someone else has put, FF is probably a bit more vocal in his annoyance at Carlos.Carlos hangs him out to dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j17tjp Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I'd rather FF came on today instead of Jones i honestly think he's our best player, there are some issues with him, but he def makes more of an impact than some of our players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, Manchester_Owl said: Quote possibly true. But it should have been kept internal. Good management would have made sure of that. There's an endgame going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Copthorneowl said: How is it that FF spat his dummy out what do you know about the training ground incident please enlighten us. All he's guilty of is answering Carlos question about his pre season and "tracking back". And for the record he puts more effort in than most and imo has no need to waste his time tracking back because his one poor skill is tackling runners. On the other hand I suspect he wins more balls from opponents than our fragile midfielders and defenders who by the way don't seem to be able to get over the half way line much of the time to support strikers do they? So it cuts two ways most of our fan base moan about forwards being supported. So Fernando Forestieiri can earn a shirt week in week out, and doesn't have to track back or adhere to any other team instructions ,can play where he likes , routinely break club discipline rules and just for an added fun factor it's also irrelevant that he refused to play for the club because he couldn't get his own way nice one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
island owl Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Although I like FF he seems to be causing more problems, the bust up with Winnall and saying he only wants to play up front doesn't help matters. If he leaves then we will have money to spend on a CB and a LB, both urgently needed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debram Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, island owl said: Although I like FF he seems to be causing more problems, the bust up with Winnall and saying he only wants to play up front doesn't help matters. If he leaves then we will have money to spend on a CB and a LB, both urgently needed Maybe so but think he could have been the difference today especially when we were on top after we had scored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffield_dave Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 At this stage I think you'd have to be tapped to still want FF anywhere near the club. As another poster very accurately put a couple of pages back, his problems outweigh his benefits now. I mean for some of this isn't even a new thing but we've got the start of a season disrupted by talk of his disciplinary for the second year in a row. He's not even our best striker. Or even one of our two most ideal strikers. And he doesnt want to play on the left. If a bid comes in, get rid. Our need for centre backs VASTLY outweighs our need for Fernando Forrestieri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
island owl Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 He would have done better than Reach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-owls Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Get shut of him. Its obvious that he's not happy here. Use the money to bring in players in areas that we need. It should have been done last year when he spat his dummy out. A good player but trouble we'd be best off without at this point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
island owl Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/video-why-no-forestieri-for-sheffield-wednesday-carlos-carvalhal-explains-1-8700191 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Coopio Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/cellino-reveals-leeds-united-have-ended-their-interest-in-forestieri-1-7433602 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, island owl said: He would have done better than Reach Thats hardly the salient point though mate.... I would rather have the full information about the episode on the training ground, but I doubt we will ever get it, So we glean what we can from what we have got. Its seems that Winnall was involved, yet he was in the squad, so I deduce from that the fact that Fernando was either in the wrong or something went off after the incident. Its not simply having him instead of Reach, its how it effects the whole squad. He was forgiven last year, how long does everyone have to be patient/....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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