scram Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 This is different to the shameful antics regarding Norwich last season. Training ground fights happen all the time - literally i bet a day doesn't pass during the season where there isn't a scrap between team mates somewhere throughout the professional clubs It's how it's handled and dealt with that's key He doesn't have to engineer a move by some phoney training ground stunt - he literally just has to ask for a move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Copthorneowl said: Unless mistaken nobody absolutely nobody knows what went on - we assume FF was the main culprit as Winall was picked but to my knowledge he hasn't asked for a transfer and we just don't know. Carlos management of him lately zero credit. Hes been abused on here for everything going including having the cheek to visit Watford shopping Jesus Christ. I don't expect anybody to simper over him neither will he he knows the scoreby now at S6. Hes not remotely treated fairly he's just a soft target God knows what would happen if he jumped into the crowd doing karate kicks would Carlos stand by him would the fans? good old Fergie he could see what was best for his team . Our fans can't but they are entitled to their opinions however repetitively negative. End of for me now might come back in a couple of f.oooookin months. I sort of admire your loyalty. He's looking like a busted flush. I suspect he'll be trouble wherever he goes. It seems like we've had the best of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Copthorneowl said: Unless mistaken nobody absolutely nobody knows what went on - we assume FF was the main culprit as Winall was picked but to my knowledge he hasn't asked for a transfer and we just don't know. Carlos management of him lately zero credit. Hes been abused on here for everything going including having the cheek to visit Watford shopping Jesus Christ. I don't expect anybody to simper over him neither will he he knows the scoreby now at S6. Hes not remotely treated fairly he's just a soft target God knows what would happen if he jumped into the crowd doing karate kicks would Carlos stand by him would the fans? good old Fergie he could see what was best for his team . Our fans can't but they are entitled to their opinions however repetitively negative. End of for me now might come back in a couple of f.oooookin months. For every tweet FF gets slated by..There are a hundred posts on here slagging Reach Nuhiu, Hunt Pudil etc...Sadly it comes with the territory, and a hefty wage packet. I haven't slagged him off, Ive gone on the information given, and what I glean from it. Its assumption, not abuse, If others are abusive..take it up with them mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Just now, scram said: This is different to the shameful antics regarding Norwich last season. Training ground fights happen all the time - literally i bet a day doesn't pass during the season where there isn't a scrap between team mates somewhere throughout the professional clubs It's how it's handled and dealt with that's key He doesn't have to engineer a move by some phoney training ground stunt - he literally just has to ask for a move but that doesn't conform to the anti FF brigade on here Scram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlsend Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, dan1980 said: If he was going i wouldnt of thought he would even turn up to watch us today Probably would because they trying to show face and the reason they're probably having a laugh and a joke it's because of Carlos methods and style of play and if you remember rightly Megason did the exact same with Antonio and JJ before they both departed the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Horse Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ash77 said: Does cc have man management issues? Why is it the more talented players seem to either underachieve, become disillusioned or not get a game? Ff, abdi, mcgeady, mcmanaman, rhodes etc. He seems to only like players that can run about alot tho not very fast ones Easy option is to leave good players out or sell them for peanuts like danny wilson did if you cant handle them etc, but if they had respect for their manager maybe stuff like this wouldnt happen in 1st place. (Like with big ron) Either that or ff would cause issues anywhere but who knows for sure whats going on outside the club Exactly. Can't have those Fancy Dans believing that they're good players now. Give me a team full of Andy Booths every day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, TheEnd1976 said: That's your opinion...../Don't care believe what you want probably don't even go to the games Season ticket holder mate just dint talk crap and start needless stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Copthorneowl Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Royal_D said: Any true fan wouldn't jump to the defence of a mercenary who refused to play for OUR club Grow up you silly little boy. I been watching Wednesday live for over 60 years and still do and it's 450 mile round trip what's you're commitment time you matured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 22 minutes ago, darra said: Sorry who are the other 4. I'm guessing one is Mgughan who has a history of this sort of thing so the juries out as to whether he wont play or he's not being picked. Then again if he's not being picked I refer you to my first assumption. Mcgeady Mcmanman Mcgugan Abdi Now FF. But sure, not CC's fault, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, ANDY said: but that doesn't conform to the anti FF brigade on here Scram It conforms to the story we have. I'm not anti FF...I hope he stays..even if he's in the wrong on this one...He's a good player. On the other hand, there are some that are using this as a stick to further beat Carvalhal with... As we don't know the full story, we can only go on what we deduce from it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl999 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 15 minutes ago, dan1980 said: If he was going i wouldnt of thought he would even turn up to watch us today You do realise they have to otherwise they are fined don't you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUMBELOWS91 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I like watching FF, he's the most naturally talented player we have had since Di Canio, and when things are going well I love what he brings to the table - but he's starting to seem like hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ash76 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Happy to let the club manage it how they see fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Socialist_Owl said: Mcgeady Mcmanman Mcgugan Abdi Now FF. But sure, not CC's fault, lol. McGeady came to try and get a place in the national squad when that went out of the window so did he. Mcgugan we were warned about and now 4 managers have said thanks but no thanks. Abdi has had a long term Injury by the look of things Mcmanaman could be a good shout Edited August 12, 2017 by darra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Owl999 said: You do realise they have to otherwise they are fined don't you ? Yea i do but if he was that disruptive surely better away from the team if he on his way out anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, ANDY said: but that doesn't conform to the anti FF brigade on here Scram It's not the point at all Andy. He's our top scorer and he's not in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, Maddogbob said: Sad isn't it, I'm completely just not fussed about him one way or another. First time I watched him, couldn't believe what I was seeing, he was unbelievable. Now I'm just meh, no anger, no panic that he might be leaving. Nothing. To be honest if we decided to cash in on him now to allow us to sign two centre halves and a midfield beast , id be happy with that . We already have a perfect replacement for Fessi sitting on the bench in Abdi , who is a quality playmaker who can unlock defences like Fessi can . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: It conforms to the story we have. I'm not anti FF...I hope he stays..even if he's in the wrong on this one...He's a good player. On the other hand, there are some that are using this as a stick to further beat Carvalhal with... As we don't know the full story, we can only go on what we deduce from it And equally the confirmation bias is at warp factor 10 with those who haven't forgiven him for Norwich Same as they won't listen to what CC has elaborated on regarding the "FF demands to only play up front" nonsense He's a bad egg forcing the club to move him on When, as has been said - we don't know the facts - if it's a training ground scrap then hey ho...welcome to the world of professional football players He's been disciplined - but it's growing legs that have hugely outpaced the lack of facts regarding the incident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Just now, Costello 77 said: It's not the point at all Andy. He's our top scorer and he's not in the squad. he was dropped for disciplinary reasons, i don't have a promble with that. what he needs to do now is (if selected) put in a shift against Sunderland, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Ash76 said: Happy to let the club manage it how they see fit That's good of you. Have you let them know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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