"Let's not make this into a problem that it is not"

[Jim]

There is an age old cycle here. It remains no matter who the chairman is, who the manager is, who ever the players are. It’ll sadly probably never be broken and we can all take a guess why?

[Morepork]

36 minutes ago, Jim said:

There is an age old cycle here. It remains no matter who the chairman is, who the manager is, who ever the players are. It’ll sadly probably never be broken and we can all take a guess why?

 

The ghost of Amos?

[Jim]

5 minutes ago, Morepork said:

 

The ghost of Amos?

Nay Nay.

[markg]

5 hours ago, Mr Farrell said:

But Moore has gone from tactically poor to a tactical genius this season. Plenty of Apologists last week shouting this. 

 

Make your minds up.

It's almost as if he could have got it tactically right one week, but not the other

[Django]

6 hours ago, NeonLeon said:

For both teams that have come to Hillsborough in the league so far to set up how they have it clearly is a problem, and one that started well before this season. I mean how else would Portsmouth know that they’d get joy from overloading our flanks? 
 

Charlton Saturday was one of the most bizarre games I’ve seen. Every time Charlton had the ball it was effectively…

 

Johnson vs their Right Back, Right Winger & Right Central Midfielder.

 

Hunt vs their Left Back, Left Winger & Left Central Midfielder. 
 

Vaulks, FDB & Bannan vs their Sitting Midfielder. Who still managed to act as a pivot and switch play unchallenged. 

 

Only when Byers & Bakinson came on did the balance shift. 
 

For teams to come and dedicate their gameplan to exploiting our wide areas, I can’t see how Moore can so easily downplay it.

Nail on head 

[Beast of Boulogne]

7 hours ago, Blue Boy said:

I've said this loads of times. Iorfa hasn't got a clue how to head a ball, just get to Hillsboro 30mins before kick off and watch him warming up its a f----ing joke. How he is a CB god knows anyway worth a watch

Feck that , I go in at 2.55 and an hour and half is more than enough thank you . 

[SiJ]

The five goals conceded are so similar it is embarrassing.

 

A simple cross from our left and an unmarked header.

 

It's shambolic given the height of the three CBs who have been on the pitch when all these goals were conceded.

Edited August 17, 2022 by SiJ

[Bluesteel.]

Moore has to work out how to prevent it which we largely did the last two games but he can’t be on the pitch doing the actual heading? 
 

JCH left totally unmarked and the second one seemed like he was shorter than everyone else. It may be a zonal thing that went haywire but can someone not just attack the ball rather than allowing these weak free headers?

[WorrallOwl17]

I mean in Johnson's defence he probably is a winger playing wing back. But if that's the case still, 3 centre backs defending the width of the box can surely get the first contact on any cross. Saying that, Iorfa has been on the pitch for every goal so we are defending a man light for every ball into the box. Pulling onto Iorfa on the back post if he's right centre back from a cross from Johnson's side is guaranteed chances on goal, he just can't mark a man or work out his position

[4evaowl]

It’s easy to see why we are conceding to crosses in open play. They players are new to each other and you can see them trying to work on shape and line - almost as a coach will drill them in training. Clever forwards are spotting this and moving in positions between defenders (they are coached to do that). If a good enough cross comes in, they create a good chance.

DM and JS need to work with them on movement with the player, so that they are picking up a man when a cross comes in. It’s not easy bringing that all together when a back line is new, but it’s not as though we don’t know what the solution is.

[Manwë]

3 minutes ago, 4evaowl said:

It’s easy to see why we are conceding to crosses in open play. They players are new to each other and you can see them trying to work on shape and line - almost as a coach will drill them in training. Clever forwards are spotting this and moving in positions between defenders (they are coached to do that). If a good enough cross comes in, they create a good chance.

DM and JS need to work with them on movement with the player, so that they are picking up a man when a cross comes in. It’s not easy bringing that all together when a back line is new, but it’s not as though we don’t know what the solution is.

It's usually a good cross because the winger has all the time in the world to line it up.  No pressure applied, just take your time and plant the perfect cross.

 

There are enough Owls in the box to deal with the cross when it does come.  They're just not dealing with it.

 

A failure at the source and destination.    

[4evaowl]

4 minutes ago, Manwë said:

It's usually a good cross because the winger has all the time in the world to line it up.  No pressure applied, just take your time and plant the perfect cross.

 

There are enough Owls in the box to deal with the cross when it does come.  They're just not dealing with it.

 

A failure at the source and destination.    

Agree - we don’t bust a gut enough to stop crosses coming in.

[Brad_owl]

It is just poor. If a manager is a centre back by trade then i expect the defence to be on point, especially the centre backs. He has had enough chances to change them to the players he wants too. 

No excuses for such poor goals to be giving away. None. 

[shezzas left peg]

Our inability to command Ariel' situations or cut out the threat has been there since Moore arrived ,he seems to have been addressing for a long time now. Maybe it's time to bring in a specialist defencive coach to organise and mould our backline into an effective cohesive unit.Even in games when we do keep a clean sheet we still look a bit all over the place .

[Blue Boy]

3 hours ago, Beast of Boulogne said:

Feck that , I go in at 2.55 and an hour and half is more than enough thank you . 

We only go in early to see that, so funny 

[Dunkstar]

11 hours ago, wellbeaten-the-owl said:

Exactly we have not conceeded any goals from a set peice in 5 games so far.

 

Think when they looked at Pompey game the pinpointed iorfa as cause and dropped him, result in two clean sheets in league.  Never looked in danger tonight from crosses until iorfa came on.  We need a new center back to play LCB as Ihiekwe should be on right 

This. 

 

Johnson gets all the stick as he's the designated left sided wide defender but when the opposition overload on that side unless either the left sided CB or one of the midfield 3 go with the extra man theres very little Johnson or whoever is in the LWB position  can do to stop the cross. 

 

Its the same principle as the high press. If one goes it's no good, you need to cover all the free men or the opposition can just pass round you.

 

Ihekwe is clearly uncomfortable on the left side (Portsmouth being a good reference point) so until we address the LCB problem I don't think this issue will go away.

 

Swapping Johnson for Brown or James (when he's back) won't make any positive difference unless the underlying issue is addressed.

 

[upperwinngardensowl]

I only heard the snippet from the interview this morning on radio sheff sports bulletin. 
his attempt to brush off the question most fans are asking was very concerning 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Dunkstar said:

This. 

 

Johnson gets all the stick as he's the designated left sided wide defender but when the opposition overload on that side unless either the left sided CB or one of the midfield 3 go with the extra man theres very little Johnson or whoever is in the LWB position  can do to stop the cross. 

 

Its the same principle as the high press. If one goes it's no good, you need to cover all the free men or the opposition can just pass round you.

 

Ihekwe is clearly uncomfortable on the left side (Portsmouth being a good reference point) so until we address the LCB problem I don't think this issue will go away.

 

Swapping Johnson for Brown or James (when he's back) won't make any positive difference unless the underlying issue is addressed.

 

Ihiekwe only gets moved to the left side to accommodate Dom Iorfa though,  and all these poor goals we’ve conceded .. has been when Iorfa has been on the pitch because he has an inability to head the ball, mark a player or have any positional sense whatsoever 

[sternlad]

If you’re going to play wing backs in a 3-5-2 system there will be space on the flanks to be exploited. Clearly, it’s dependent on what type of player the wing back considers himself to be, (more attack minded, or more defensive) this imo is the difference between Jack Hunt and Marvin Johnson, Hunt being more of a defender than Johnson I think. To do the job well in that system you have to be incredibly fit and read the game well as it’s non stop up and down the flank most of the time, so you’re going to need help from the others in the 5 to stop the overload situation. This should be a priority in training matches, so the midfield 5 know how to operate when we don’t have the ball, and there should be someone on the field who spots the overload tactics and says summat to get reorganised. All this seems fairly obvious to the fans but not to the management/coaching team or the players…I’d be looking at employing Glen Loovens as a coach asap.

[S72 Owl]

13 hours ago, Morepork said:

 

I watched the match, I've seen us concede this goal countless times so whilst Staton was annoying the sh!t out of me he was correct in that regard. Set pieces was only part of it. 

 

The comment above is from Dom's post match report. If he says it does need addressing that doesn't make me feel any better because we've heard that countless times also.

So your concerned if he doesn’t say it needs addressing.
 

And your also concerned if he has said it needs addressing. 
 

Thanks for that.