Rhodes

[Blue and white]

There are many on here who talk about positivity, getting behind the team, giving everyone a chance and then along comes a good old Jordan Rhodes bashing page and its fill ya boots time.

Monk has been awful for this club, he has one of the worst records out of any manager but all people can say is give him a chance, let's get behind him.

Monk hasn't done it at any club he has been at, Rhodes has, time will tell if we will see the real Jordan Rhodes, I suspect not.

The irony is lost on so many.

[sheffwed1]

1 minute ago, Blue and white said:

There are many on here who talk about positivity, getting behind the team, giving everyone a chance and then along comes a good old Jordan Rhodes bashing page and its fill ya boots time.

Monk has been awful for this club, he has one of the worst records out of any manager but all people can say is give him a chance, let's get behind him.

Monk hasn't done it at any club he has been at, Rhodes has, time will tell if we will see the real Jordan Rhodes, I suspect not.

The irony is lost on so many.

True that. Although Monk hasn’t been here 3 years. 

[Devonstrix]

I know he gets paid a shed load of money, but can you imagine how many sleepless nights Rhodes has had over this? Look at the state most of us get in about it! Being him must be a nightmare. When he banged in that hat trick against Forest, I thought it was all finally going to take off but it wasn’t to be. Surely, his last hope has to be that Beattie can help him, because otherwise he might end up in L1. Then again, so might we. 

[Blue and white]

1 minute ago, sheffwed1 said:

True that. Although Monk hasn’t been here 3 years. 

One of those 3 years were spent away from the club.

[trevdi9]

[Blue and white]

Just now, Devonstrix said:

I know he gets paid a shed load of money, but can you imagine how many sleepless nights Rhodes has had over this? Look at the state most of us get in about it! Being him must be a nightmare. When he banged in that hat trick against Forest, I thought it was all finally going to take off but it wasn’t to be. Surely, his last hope has to be that Beattie can help him, because otherwise he might end up in L1. Then again, so might we. 

He banged in that hat trick, looked like he was forging a good partnership with Fletcher and then vanished to the bench.

Same with Wickham, looked to be going well and as soon as Wickham was injured out he went.

[the monk]

2 hours ago, Carbone said:

He hasn’t scored and played for good teams, that’s my point, he was best in League One and a poor Blackburn side.

 

He came to us and his confidence was obviously shattered after a disastrous first season, you don’t tend to see players recover from 4 years out of form like he is now. Absolutely, Rhodes probably would be suited to us right now if he was the player he was 4 years ago, but that player no longer exists 

So why the comparison to Bony who couldn't do it at Man City ?

[trevdi9]

6 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said:

He's a flake. At the end of the day what sort of centre forward won't take a penalty? He's not even willing to work on that issue by talking one v Walsall in the 1st round of the league cup

I never wanted to take penalties as a centre forward  either, some players do not feel comfortable taking penalties  , but lets turn it around what if he had taken it and missed because he wasn't confident , He would be slaughtered on here , fact is the player is damned if he does and damned if he doesent 

 

[Ellis Rimmer]

12 minutes ago, trevdi9 said:

I never wanted to take penalties as a centre forward  either, some players do not feel comfortable taking penalties  , but lets turn it around what if he had taken it and missed because he wasn't confident , He would be slaughtered on here , fact is the player is damned if he does and damned if he doesent 

 

Yeh thats my point he should be taking them, he should be comfortable

[Guest Therealrealist]

20 minutes ago, trevdi9 said:

I never wanted to take penalties as a centre forward  either, some players do not feel comfortable taking penalties  , but lets turn it around what if he had taken it and missed because he wasn't confident , He would be slaughtered on here , fact is the player is damned if he does and damned if he doesent 

 

But let’s be honest..99% of strikers do want to take pens..look at Man Utd last season..they had about 4 of them arguing over every pen

[Costello 77]

He wouldn't get a mention without the deal he's on.

Millstone for the club and the player.

Fwiw I thought he'd be the fox in the box for Carlos. It didn't happen then and it won't happen now imo.

Real shame..

[TomtheOwl95]

Rhodes came in under the most pressure of any signing at Wednesday. Record signing joining a club he'd been linked with for ages and a team in a very good position to get promoted. It started well with an assist on debut away at Wigan before a home debut goal against Birmingham. I actually think his performances in 16/17 were decent for us without much reward. We didn't play to his strengths, that was obvious. People talk a lot about the non taking of a penalty against Huddersfield but the five who stepped up didn't surprise me at all. If he didn't feel confidant, then let someone else go. Since that moment though the fans turned in my opinion.

 

Following season was a disaster for Wednesday in general. Started off with Carlos trying to play the same why with a side that seemed to have lost it's mojo. Jos came in and started him in his first two league games away at United and at home to Cardiff. Rhodes missed a couple of great chances in both games and I think that made Jos' mind up personally. I'd have liked us to have stuck with him but he seemed to drop out after that despite scoring the winner away at Hull.

 

Come to last season after a year away at Norwich, I think he did alright to be honest. Despite only getting three goals he did have good games, Swansea at home, Brentford at home, Derby away all spring to mind for good off the ball performances. What I don't seem to get is whenever he did play well, Monk (who I'm fully behind) seemed to drop him from the squad. How is that going to help his confidence?

 

Ultimately he's lost his confidence, you don't go from being the best striker outside the Premier League to where he is now. I still think if he gets service and a run in the team he'd get a decent amount, not the 30's and 40's of the past but a solid 15. You can't play him on his own, he needs someone round him. Let others do the work and get him in the box to finish the chances off.

[trevdi9]

46 minutes ago, Therealrealist said:

But let’s be honest..99% of strikers do want to take pens..look at Man Utd last season..they had about 4 of them arguing over every pen

why should he though it was his choice  not to take it , different players do different things ,taking penalties is a different situation than say a one on one or taking a shot in a split second , who knows what was going on in his mind , the point is as i said above if he did not want to take one so be it ,but to use it as a stick to beat him with what does that  prove other than he does not like taking penalties , , football consists of many aspects in the game ,you have those who love taking penalties and those that don't , he doesent , whether it is  that a penalty gives you time to think about where to place the shot ,or whatever else that is something for him to figure out ,but it was way back so why do people worry ,it's not as if he gets much game time to refuse another is it  

[trevdi9]

2 minutes ago, TomtheOwl95 said:

Rhodes came in under the most pressure of any signing at Wednesday. Record signing joining a club he'd been linked with for ages and a team in a very good position to get promoted. It started well with an assist on debut away at Wigan before a home debut goal against Birmingham. I actually think his performances in 16/17 were decent for us without much reward. We didn't play to his strengths, that was obvious. People talk a lot about the non taking of a penalty against Huddersfield but the five who stepped up didn't surprise me at all. If he didn't feel confidant, then let someone else go. Since that moment though the fans turned in my opinion.

 

Following season was a disaster for Wednesday in general. Started off with Carlos trying to play the same why with a side that seemed to have lost it's mojo. Jos came in and started him in his first two league games away at United and at home to Cardiff. Rhodes missed a couple of great chances in both games and I think that made Jos' mind up personally. I'd have liked us to have stuck with him but he seemed to drop out after that despite scoring the winner away at Hull.

 

Come to last season after a year away at Norwich, I think he did alright to be honest. Despite only getting three goals he did have good games, Swansea at home, Brentford at home, Derby away all spring to mind for good off the ball performances. What I don't seem to get is whenever he did play well, Monk (who I'm fully behind) seemed to drop him from the squad. How is that going to help his confidence?

 

Ultimately he's lost his confidence, you don't go from being the best striker outside the Premier League to where he is now. I still think if he gets service and a run in the team he'd get a decent amount, not the 30's and 40's of the past but a solid 15. You can't play him on his own, he needs someone round him. Let others do the work and get him in the box to finish the chances off.

spot on 

 

[Carbone]

1 hour ago, the monk said:

So why the comparison to Bony who couldn't do it at Man City ?

Rhodes was like Bony when he came to us, a striker who had done well in poor teams. Then I’m trying to say Rhodes would have been a good signing for us as we are now (A rubbish team) if this was 4 years ago (when Rhodes actually had some form), but regardless of that, strikers never recover their form when they’ve been out of it for 4 years.

 

Even though Rhodes used to bang them in for lesser teams, he was never going to come back from that failure of a first season here, where ever he went, maybe with the exception of dropping down to League One for the 2017-18 season, that could have saved his career perhaps. He’s definitely not going to be good enough at any Championship level again.
 

 

[Guest BelgiqueOwl]

Slowest footballer I’ve ever seen. 

[Carbone]

6 minutes ago, TomtheOwl95 said:

Rhodes came in under the most pressure of any signing at Wednesday. Record signing joining a club he'd been linked with for ages and a team in a very good position to get promoted. It started well with an assist on debut away at Wigan before a home debut goal against Birmingham. I actually think his performances in 16/17 were decent for us without much reward. We didn't play to his strengths, that was obvious. People talk a lot about the non taking of a penalty against Huddersfield but the five who stepped up didn't surprise me at all. If he didn't feel confidant, then let someone else go. Since that moment though the fans turned in my opinion.

 

Following season was a disaster for Wednesday in general. Started off with Carlos trying to play the same why with a side that seemed to have lost it's mojo. Jos came in and started him in his first two league games away at United and at home to Cardiff. Rhodes missed a couple of great chances in both games and I think that made Jos' mind up personally. I'd have liked us to have stuck with him but he seemed to drop out after that despite scoring the winner away at Hull.

 

Come to last season after a year away at Norwich, I think he did alright to be honest. Despite only getting three goals he did have good games, Swansea at home, Brentford at home, Derby away all spring to mind for good off the ball performances. What I don't seem to get is whenever he did play well, Monk (who I'm fully behind) seemed to drop him from the squad. How is that going to help his confidence?

 

Ultimately he's lost his confidence, you don't go from being the best striker outside the Premier League to where he is now. I still think if he gets service and a run in the team he'd get a decent amount, not the 30's and 40's of the past but a solid 15. You can't play him on his own, he needs someone round him. Let others do the work and get him in the box to finish the chances off.

He’s had enough runs in the team and chance after chance to prove himself. He’s never been the best striker outside of the Premier League because of goals for Huddersfield and Blackburn.

 

Praising him off the ball, this is what I mean about a delusion I think some Wednesday fans have about Rhodes. Good off the ball. Some good touches. Just needs the service. It’s the same every time he plays. He’s finished and I wish we shipped him off in summer 2017.

[TomtheOwl95]

1 minute ago, Carbone said:

He’s had enough runs in the team and chance after chance to prove himself. He’s never been the best striker outside of the Premier League because of goals for Huddersfield and Blackburn.

 

Praising him off the ball, this is what I mean about a delusion I think some Wednesday fans have about Rhodes. Good off the ball. Some good touches. Just needs the service. It’s the same every time he plays. He’s finished and I wish we shipped him off in summer 2017.

It's not a delusion. He has had games where he's done well off the ball. Brentford at home for example, he turned the game. Opened it up for Fletcher to take advantage.

 

Between 2012 and 2016 Rhodes was the best striker outside the Premier League. I don't think you'll find many who would argue that. Middlesbrough bought him, Karanka didn't want him but they went for him anyway. He did alright there in a formation that didn't suit him at all. Scored some important goals for them as they went up.

[Dexter Morgan]

9 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said:

He's a flake. At the end of the day what sort of centre forward won't take a penalty? He's not even willing to work on that issue by talking one v Walsall in the 1st round of the league cup

was the refusal to do with it being Huddersfield and not wanting to be the bad guy for fans who see him as a hero or because he didn’t have the confidence? 

[DJMortimer]

1 hour ago, TomtheOwl95 said:

It's not a delusion. He has had games where he's done well off the ball. Brentford at home for example, he turned the game. Opened it up for Fletcher to take advantage.

 

I've never seen a Wednesday player afforded such special pleading as Rhodes. He had no involvement whatsoever with either of the goals or the build up to them. In fact, he has only 2 assists in his 75 appearances for us. You can't give him credit for just being in the same postal area. What do you suppose it was about him that 'opened it up'? His pace and dribbling ability?