Ray Von shabba Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 First and foremost, we need to beat Boro tonight and ensure we finish 9 points above the bottom three, just in case there is a punishment and IF 9 points it's one thing covered off. All the games tonight with the exception of Luton, look to be in our favour, well should be hopefully but this is football. Of course there's the possibility of no punishment and happy days. Loads of maybe's and possibilities BUT need to beat Colin and Gibson tonight. WAWAW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Bet we’ll never hear either way if the EFL ever did approve the accounts Makes you wonder if they did with it been as drawn out as this, doesn’t appear to be any clear cut evidence either way and I think clear cut is what the EFL tried to claim when they put there misconduct charge to DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, Royal_D said: Bet we’ll never hear either way if the EFL ever did approve the accounts Makes you wonder if they did with it been as drawn out as this, doesn’t appear to be any clear cut evidence either way and I think clear cut is what the EFL tried to claim when they put there misconduct charge to DC I was under the impression they did see the accounts, agreed them, then lifted the embargo and later went er hang on a minute think we have been too hasty we forgot to look properly. Lets face it competence is not their forte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrowbyOwl Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, Royal_D said: Bet we’ll never hear either way if the EFL ever did approve the accounts Makes you wonder if they did with it been as drawn out as this, doesn’t appear to be any clear cut evidence either way and I think clear cut is what the EFL tried to claim when they put there misconduct charge to DC The published IDC decision should explain the grounds for upholding/rejecting the charges, though the evidence itself remains confidential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swinners Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 24 minutes ago, Asio otus said: I was under the impression they did see the accounts, agreed them, then lifted the embargo and later went er hang on a minute think we have been too hasty we forgot to look properly. Lets face it competence is not their forte I reckon they did, just with the other chief in place. As soon as this one came into power I think he thought, "right, let's make a name for myself. He agreed it and I don't agree with it! " and here we are... Might be why it is long and drawn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 hours ago, WalthamOwl said: bloody hell it would be pretty hard to get less points than we have by Christmas! Yes you're right but technically. If we have broken P&S, we will have had the 'benefit' of the players we shouldn't have bought since the date we broke the rules and until the point we are back within P&S. It doesn't just cover this season. Yet another flaw in the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fish Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Ray Von shabba said: First and foremost, we need to beat Boro tonight and ensure we finish 9 points above the bottom three, just in case there is a punishment and IF 9 points it's one thing covered off. All the games tonight with the exception of Luton, look to be in our favour, well should be hopefully but this is football. Of course there's the possibility of no punishment and happy days. Loads of maybe's and possibilities BUT need to beat Colin and Gibson tonight. WAWAW IF we're found guilty, it'll almost certainly be more than nine points. Brum overspent by 13 million (a lot less than us) and they got a nine point deduction having pleased guilty to the charges. If we're guilty, imo, we're going to get hammered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Big Fish said: IF we're found guilty, it'll almost certainly be more than nine points. Brum overspent by 13 million (a lot less than us) and they got a nine point deduction having pleased guilty to the charges. If we're guilty, imo, we're going to get hammered. Birmingham got a 9 point deduction for buying a player despite being under an embargo. We were under an embargo bought the stadium after consultation with the EFL who we worked with during the embargo and they lifted the embargo as a result. We are charged with a misconduct over an accounting error not overspending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogbad Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 52 minutes ago, Asio otus said: I was under the impression they did see the accounts, agreed them, then lifted the embargo and later went er hang on a minute think we have been too hasty we forgot to look properly. Lets face it competence is not their forte That's my understanding too. That's why our accounts were late being submitted to Companies House because we were in discussions with the EFL about the sale of the ground & whether we they would accept it being entered into the accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fish Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, daveyboy66 said: Birmingham got a 9 point deduction for buying a player despite being under an embargo. We were under an embargo bought the stadium after consultation with the EFL who we worked with during the embargo and they lifted the embargo as a result. We are charged with a misconduct over an accounting error not overspending. I seem to recall that, but when I read up on it, how the actual punishment was divided up, didn’t mention the embargo specifically. You can be punished up to 12 points depending on the over spend. They overspent by 13 million so that was worth so many points - can’t remember exactly what the amount was. They then saved themselves another point With a guilty plea. But then they were Given another three because their “we are sorry, won’t do it again, plans in place etc” was called BS by the panel, so they finished up with 9. I think the three points chalked off might have been in reference to the embargo but the rest was for breach of FFP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, Big Fish said: IF we're found guilty, it'll almost certainly be more than nine points. Brum overspent by 13 million (a lot less than us) and they got a nine point deduction having pleased guilty to the charges. If we're guilty, imo, we're going to get hammered. I think you need to re assess what we are in "trouble" for fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fish Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, BARMYARMY2010 said: I think you need to re assess what we are in "trouble" for fella. No mate, don’t think I do. Overspend = Up to12. Aggravated circumstance (ground sale) up to 9. If we are guilty on the aggravated circumstance Which is essentially what we are on the stand for then if we are guilty of that, we have to be guilty of the overspend breach. If we are not guilty of the aggravated circumstance, we’re home and hosed because the accounts show we made a profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, Big Fish said: No mate, don’t think I do. Overspend = Up to12. Aggravated circumstance (ground sale) up to 9. If we are guilty on the aggravated circumstance Which is essentially what we are on the stand for then if we are guilty of that, we have to be guilty of the overspend breach. If we are not guilty of the aggravated circumstance, we’re home and hosed because the accounts show we made a profit. Yes, I think you do, this is not an ffp/p&s breach/issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fish Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, BARMYARMY2010 said: Yes, I think you do, this is not an ffp/p&s breach/issue. Well, if you’re right, then all the talk about up to 21 points deducted is incorrect as the Punishments are practically unlimited, including expulsion. Sobering thought. 21 points doesn't seem so bad Vs expulsion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Big Fish said: Well, if you’re right, then all the talk about up to 21 points deducted is incorrect as the Punishments are practically unlimited, including expulsion. Sobering thought. 21 points doesn't seem so bad Vs expulsion. Imagine playing the dog and duck at Hillsborough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von shabba Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Big Fish said: Well, if you’re right, then all the talk about up to 21 points deducted is incorrect as the Punishments are practically unlimited, including expulsion. Sobering thought. 21 points doesn't seem so bad Vs expulsion. Expulsion......seriously......have a day off. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Rick Parry ..... Hey up Colin .. Dont forget what we agreed ... Give us three rings to let me know when you've got back home safe Then I'll hit the send button ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, modboy said: Imagine playing the dog and duck at Hillsborough Good away are they? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fish Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Ray Von shabba said: Expulsion......seriously......have a day off. Suppose I asked for that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gizowl Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, swinners said: I reckon they did, just with the other chief in place. As soon as this one came into power I think he thought, "right, let's make a name for myself. He agreed it and I don't agree with it! " and here we are... Might be why it is long and drawn out. Agree Parry came in , Gibson and others were straight in his ear and he'll have promised to have a look at it to try and win some friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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