Buxtongent Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just occurred to me. The Independent Review Panel decision is a posh name for arbitration. In other words, its decision cannot be appealed, and is binding Surely their decision will have been, or will be, passed to both club and EFL by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickywire Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, Buxtongent said: Just occurred to me. The Independent Review Panel decision is a posh name for arbitration. In other words, its decision cannot be appealed, and is binding Surely their decision will have been, or will be, passed to both club and EFL by now. Given the EFL have appealed its decisions before, how did you reach your conclusion? 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 minute ago, nickywire said: Given the EFL have appealed its decisions before, how did you reach your conclusion? And the rules clearly state all parties can appeal, hence why any disagreement mean it will drag on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, akbuk said: I think they have held off announcing until the season is over ,that way the Barnsley's if this works can't create an argument about any decision while play is still on going . at the end of the day if our players had performed in the field since the restart we wouldn't be bothered. shame on the 3 who walked away from us and who have been paid handsomely and supported through difficult personal times I got accused of living in a fluffy dream world for posting much the same as your last sentence 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsHall Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Bump.. wondered where the fk it had gone . UTO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbupperthongowl Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 I do wonder if the whole ' preserving the integrity of the league' theory probably has something in it....if Barnsley/ Luton/ Hull finish bottom 3 tonight that is down to their performance over the season, irrespective of what punishment we get and they can't argue any different So to give us -9 tomorrow won't give anyone the right to take action against the EFL as it doesn't impact on the final table 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, nbupperthongowl said: I do wonder if the whole ' preserving the integrity of the league' theory probably has something in it....if Barnsley/ Luton/ Hull finish bottom 3 tonight that is down to their performance over the season, irrespective of what punishment we get and they can't argue any different So to give us -9 tomorrow won't give anyone the right to take action against the EFL as it doesn't impact on the final table Could well be right Or they could also say , no case to answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls-swfc Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, nbupperthongowl said: ..if Barnsley/ Luton/ Hull finish bottom 3 tonight that is down to their performance over the season, irrespective of what punishment we get and they can't argue any different What about the points gained or lost directly by each of those teams against us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbupperthongowl Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, owls-swfc said: What about the points gained or lost directly by each of those teams against us? That is irrelevant as it is part of the usual season....no points deduction, so no impact and still demonstrating 'integrity' to the competition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Asio otus said: Anyone who thinks it be good idea if we go down this season, must be really off their rocker . Going down could seriously be the death knell of the club, the way things are going lower leagues are going to implode. There is only so many rich people out their with money to squander, look what happened to Bury, just because clubs have a long history does mean they will always be there, they will not. We are in a financial mess for sure along with very many other clubs in the championship, there very few clubs with a financial model that is sustainable. We really do need to stay in the championship or I fear the worst. This needs to be read by more people. Anyone saying they don't care or wouldn't mind if we got relegated needs to realise what the implications could be. DC could be asked to put money in to support the club by the EFL having just been punished by the EFL for putting money in and supporting the club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heeleyowl Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Wishful thinking but .... Easy way out for the EFL if we are found guilty by the panel - dock us however many points to keep us up by goal difference. I know there are statutory guidelines on punishment but I’m sure there’s enough ambiguity and confusion in our specific circumstances (hence the panel in the first place) to allow some flexibility. They will have then fulfilled their responsibilities through due process. No complaints from us, no avenue for litigation from the relegated clubs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Win tonight, cleared by the panel tomorrow. Wouldn’t that be nice. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrowbyOwl Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Buxtongent said: Just occurred to me. The Independent Review Panel decision is a posh name for arbitration. In other words, its decision cannot be appealed, and is binding Surely their decision will have been, or will be, passed to both club and EFL by now. Decisions of Disciplinary Commissions can be appealed. Appeals are heard by a League Arbitration Panel, Their decisions can’t be appealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: Win tonight, cleared by the panel tomorrow. Wouldn’t that be nice. What have you learnt from this season?? It's the hope that gets you in the end. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickywire Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, Heeleyowl said: Wishful thinking but .... Easy way out for the EFL if we are found guilty by the panel - dock us however many points to keep us up by goal difference. I know there are statutory guidelines on punishment but I’m sure there’s enough ambiguity and confusion in our specific circumstances (hence the panel in the first place) to allow some flexibility. They will have then fulfilled their responsibilities through due process. No complaints from us, no avenue for litigation from the relegated clubs! fix it so we get just enough points not to relegate us = no avenue for litigation???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, nbupperthongowl said: I do wonder if the whole ' preserving the integrity of the league' theory probably has something in it....if Barnsley/ Luton/ Hull finish bottom 3 tonight that is down to their performance over the season, irrespective of what punishment we get and they can't argue any different So to give us -9 tomorrow won't give anyone the right to take action against the EFL as it doesn't impact on the final table Their argument would be that we got our points by cheating - that if we hadn't overspent we would have a weaker team and wouldn't have gained as many points as we have. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, Heeleyowl said: Wishful thinking but .... Easy way out for the EFL if we are found guilty by the panel - dock us however many points to keep us up by goal difference. I know there are statutory guidelines on punishment but I’m sure there’s enough ambiguity and confusion in our specific circumstances (hence the panel in the first place) to allow some flexibility. They will have then fulfilled their responsibilities through due process. No complaints from us, no avenue for litigation from the relegated clubs! Do we forgot.... This is not up to the EFL?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essix Blue Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Burnsie said: Do we forgot.... This is not up to the EFL?? Many many people do forget that no matter how many times it’s posted 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, nickywire said: fix it so we get just enough points not to relegate us = no avenue for litigation???? The relegated teams can't make demands of the Panel as to how many points other teams get deducted...so a - 6pt deduction for example couldn't be overturned by them. If we are found not guilty they may think they can appeal I'm not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nut said: Their argument would be that we got our points by cheating - that if we hadn't overspent we would have a weaker team and wouldn't have gained as many points as we have. Is that worthy of a legal challenge though Highly doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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