pussface Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, frastheowl said: No we didn't. We lost, because we didn't compete from the 1st minute. No team will win a competitive game of football, if they don't compete and do the basics correct. I've just watched Liverpool and Man Utd. Now Liverpool are a fantastic side...but the main reason why they are going to win this Premier League at a canter, is there unrelenting desire, right through the side, to compete and win their individual battles. They are the 1st to every ball, they pry upon every mistake, they love working hard and winning that ball back. If Liverpool, one of the best side's in the World, feel as though they have to do those basics correct all the time, then why on Earth do our mediocre players feel they are too good for it? To blame Monk solely for the defeat is as ridiculous as writing Kieran Lee off as "finished". Maybe they can't do the basics right because the instructions they're sent out with are pish? FWIW the players were cr4p AND Monk got completely found out yesterday. As with Jos his tactic seems to pin on the goal keeper and Bannon doing all the heavy lifting. Yet the application of every player was criminal. A massive deficit of leadership, not a single fighter amongst them. They should each forfeit a week's wages to charity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frastheowl Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 31 minutes ago, pussface said: Maybe they can't do the basics right because the instructions they're sent out with are pish? FWIW the players were cr4p AND Monk got completely found out yesterday. As with Jos his tactic seems to pin on the goal keeper and Bannon doing all the heavy lifting. Yet the application of every player was criminal. A massive deficit of leadership, not a single fighter amongst them. They should each forfeit a week's wages to charity. Fine... Monk's poo now as well. Last week his instructions were sublime, but this week, they were "pish". So that's Carlos, Jos, Agnew & Clemence, Bruce, Bullen (three times) and now Monk...that have all seen Jekyll and Hyde performances from this, essentially same group of players. And yet, we still have fans that just won't see, that perhaps, the manager isn't always to blame. We'll drive another one out, and wonder why we going stand still and make no progress whatsoever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TodwickOwl Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, frastheowl said: No we didn't. We lost, because we didn't compete from the 1st minute. No team will win a competitive game of football, if they don't compete and do the basics correct. I've just watched Liverpool and Man Utd. Now Liverpool are a fantastic side...but the main reason why they are going to win this Premier League at a canter, is there unrelenting desire, right through the side, to compete and win their individual battles. They are the 1st to every ball, they pry upon every mistake, they love working hard and winning that ball back. If Liverpool, one of the best side's in the World, feel as though they have to do those basics correct all the time, then why on Earth do our mediocre players feel they are too good for it? To blame Monk solely for the defeat is as ridiculous as writing Kieran Lee off as "finished". Totally wrong We setup in the same way to beat Leeds - we didn’t need to setup in that way Playing 1 up top against Blackburn at home, no wonder it kept coming back and we crumbled That, is tactical and that - is down to Monk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, frastheowl said: No we didn't. We lost, because we didn't compete from the 1st minute. No team will win a competitive game of football, if they don't compete and do the basics correct. I've just watched Liverpool and Man Utd. Now Liverpool are a fantastic side...but the main reason why they are going to win this Premier League at a canter, is there unrelenting desire, right through the side, to compete and win their individual battles. They are the 1st to every ball, they pry upon every mistake, they love working hard and winning that ball back. If Liverpool, one of the best side's in the World, feel as though they have to do those basics correct all the time, then why on Earth do our mediocre players feel they are too good for it? To blame Monk solely for the defeat is as ridiculous as writing Kieran Lee off as "finished". People are presuming Lee got hooked at halftime and therefore jumping on the bandwagon ,he actually took a bad knock or strain on his right shoulder for the second week running So that may have been the case 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, hugeowl said: People are presuming Lee got hooked at halftime and therefore jumping on the bandwagon ,he actually took a bad knock or strain on his right shoulder for the second week running So that may have been the case It must have been in the first minute then because he was poo . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 There are one or two in this thread saying he’s finished and we need to release him. Blah blah. He was very poor yesterday but the whole team was very poor. No one came out with any credit at all. Honestly, it looked like the squad went out on the lash on Friday night and they rolled in around 7am. I thought Lee was excellent against Leeds in the previous match. Let’s see what happens from now until the end of the season. I don’t expect that we will play as badly as that again under Garry Monk. It was a horror show - one of the worst I’ve watched in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frastheowl Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, TodwickOwl said: Totally wrong We setup in the same way to beat Leeds - we didn’t need to setup in that way Playing 1 up top against Blackburn at home, no wonder it kept coming back and we crumbled That, is tactical and that - is down to Monk. Drivel. I watched Forest play at home today, against by far, the worst side in the division earlier today. And guess what...they played one up front. How negative! There is nothing wrong with the system we played, in the sense of negativity or the standard of our opponents. The current top three sides in the division, all play with, almost always, one up front. Are they all negative? If you'd have questioned playing with one up top, given we've not got a striker able to perform that role suitably, then I might have been inclined to agree. But, your reasons, to unjustifiably and needlessly go out of your way to slag off Monk, are so off the mark, it's laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) Lee has started 3 games in the last 11 We won away at Leeds and Brighton and got tanked by Blackburn. Hardly doing badly since his return to the side Throw in the fact that he’s got more assists than Palmer, and only one less assist than Harris despite playing well under 50% of our minutes this season Edited January 19, 2020 by McRightSide 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 you win as a team you lose as a team ,all collectively are responsible for yesterdays loss just as they were in the win at leeds …….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 12 hours ago, Ash76 said: What a great piece of business and servant to the club he has been but he’s finished here now I’m sad to say. Has little influence on games nowadays and just seems to follow the game. He doesn’t get close enough to the opposition and refuses to contest 2nd balls. He isn’t effective in possession anymore, and wants way too long on the ball. His first touch isn’t what it was either. It’s sad too see but we’re now watching his time here come to an end and I think if he wants to carry on playing he’ll have to drop down a level. Might be unpopular but I wouldn’t have him anywhere the first 11 again but I’ll remember him fondly when he inevitably does leave. He was out best player last week wasn’t he ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 59 minutes ago, Ronnie Starling said: It must have been in the first minute then because he was poo . Not on his own was he ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ash76 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, S36 OWL said: Why single out Lee, they were all a disgrace yesterday.? Not once in my post did I mention yesterday. My my opinion is not based on yesterday alone, it’s been formed over some time Edited January 19, 2020 by Ash76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMacLean Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Too lightweight and age now catching him. He'd boss it in L1 though. Squad needs a massive overhaul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 9 hours ago, hugeowl said: Not on his own was he ? But what has he contributed over the last three seasons? Nothing other than a drain on our finances. Like Bannan he is lightweight and offers nothing out of possession. The way he was brushed off the ball and made little effort to get back and win the ball back was pathetic. Time to get rid. Players such as Lee and Bannan have been held up as ones that could do it in the Premier League. They can't even do it in the Championship. If they were that good you would see them dominate the midfield but as was the case against Blackburn go hiding and contribute nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 He's still not the player he was at the level he'd set himself. May not be quite fully match sharp or fit yet as he's still not making all those runs into the box or buzzing around like he used to. Maybe he's still not quite over the long term injury, but for me Im happy to give him till the end of the season and re assess, been out for so long must have left him way, way short of fitness and sharpness, it may take all season to get back especially not playing every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Ditch Lee, no where near good enough for this league NOW, bring Iorfa into the m/f to add drive and energy. Harris Bannan, Iorfa Louongo Murphy Fox Borner Lees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TodwickOwl Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 21 hours ago, frastheowl said: Drivel. I watched Forest play at home today, against by far, the worst side in the division earlier today. And guess what...they played one up front. How negative! There is nothing wrong with the system we played, in the sense of negativity or the standard of our opponents. The current top three sides in the division, all play with, almost always, one up front. Are they all negative? If you'd have questioned playing with one up top, given we've not got a striker able to perform that role suitably, then I might have been inclined to agree. But, your reasons, to unjustifiably and needlessly go out of your way to slag off Monk, are so off the mark, it's laughable. That’s because they have a player that can play lone striker...... We play it with Winnall...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 11 hours ago, adelphi1867 said: Ditch Lee, no where near good enough for this league NOW, bring Iorfa into the m/f to add drive and energy. Harris Bannan, Iorfa Louongo Murphy Fox Borner Lees. Iorfa is a terrific player, but his first touch is dreadful. He could never be a CM. Takes him 3 seconds to bring the ball under control. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I like Lee and think he has done very well for us and a bargain for nothing I'm sure the lad is just as frustrated at himself as most are They guy had best part of 2 years of his career taken from him ,with the form he was in pre injury he could have quite easily played for a lower prem team and now that's been took from him Lee comes across as a player who loved the game and not init for money And will be guttered he lost his chance I'd give him til the end of the season then let him go Wish I'm well for the rest of his career and look back and think we have had worse players steal a living off this club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 19/01/2020 at 09:02, Ash76 said: What a great piece of business and servant to the club he has been but he’s finished here now I’m sad to say. Has little influence on games nowadays and just seems to follow the game. He doesn’t get close enough to the opposition and refuses to contest 2nd balls. He isn’t effective in possession anymore, and wants way too long on the ball. His first touch isn’t what it was either. It’s sad too see but we’re now watching his time here come to an end and I think if he wants to carry on playing he’ll have to drop down a level. Might be unpopular but I wouldn’t have him anywhere the first 11 again but I’ll remember him fondly when he inevitably does leave. We were saying similar a few weeks ago when he looked off the pace and was getting knocked off the ball too easily. He may get some of his old mojo back, but like you said, most likely at a lower level. I can see quite a few players going in the summer if we can afford to replace them, but will be sad to see Lee go. He has been amazing for us for a long time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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