Official Summer 2019 Transfer Rumours Thread

[Guest wilyfox]

QPR in for Hugill on loan. 

[Minton]

17 minutes ago, Quist said:

where have the EFL stated that? In fact they stated the opposite.

 

They simply reported that

"it follows a review of the financial submission from Birmingham City for the three-year period 2015/16 to 2017/18 where it was determined the Club had recorded losses in excess of the £39.0m upper loss threshold

On 14 August 2018 the Club was charged with a breach of those Rules. At a hearing on 18 March 2019, the Club pleaded guilty to the charge, and after hearing representations from both parties, the panel has fully considered the matter and ruled a nine-point deduction is appropriate, which will take effect in the current season."

 

Says nothing about wiping the slate clean, just they've breached the 3 year rolling P&S rules. Which carry on rolling this season. 

 

They are absolutely up a certain river without a certain implement unless they turn a huge profit this season. And they can't sell the ground as it is listed as an Assest of Community Value and requires a 6 month consultancy period and the bid able to be matched by the trust holders and / or local council. 

[sethman75]

Has anybody mentioned Jordan Mutch?

 

Good age, great experience, on a free and a great option to have when the inevitable Hutch or Lee injury happens.

[StudentOwl]

1 minute ago, sethman75 said:

Has anybody mentioned Jordan Mutch?

 

Good age, great experience, on a free and a great option to have when the inevitable Hutch or Lee injury happens.

All Mutch of a muchness really

[bladeshater]

8 minutes ago, sethman75 said:

Has anybody mentioned Jordan Mutch?

 

Good age, great experience, on a free and a great option to have when the inevitable Hutch or Lee injury happens.

Were a decent player lost his way in last couple of years for some clubs well worth the risk 

[BrumBlue]

10 minutes ago, Minton said:

 

They simply reported that

"it follows a review of the financial submission from Birmingham City for the three-year period 2015/16 to 2017/18 where it was determined the Club had recorded losses in excess of the £39.0m upper loss threshold

On 14 August 2018 the Club was charged with a breach of those Rules. At a hearing on 18 March 2019, the Club pleaded guilty to the charge, and after hearing representations from both parties, the panel has fully considered the matter and ruled a nine-point deduction is appropriate, which will take effect in the current season."

 

Says nothing about wiping the slate clean, just they've breached the 3 year rolling P&S rules. Which carry on rolling this season. 

 

They are absolutely up a certain river without a certain implement unless they turn a huge profit this season. And they can't sell the ground as it is listed as an Assest of Community Value and requires a 6 month consultancy period and the bid able to be matched by the trust holders and / or local council. 

Adams and jota bought in 20 mil. And got rid few high earners like ndoye. Probably made/saved 25 million. They put the transfers through this years books.

 

The year we broke everything was when we loaned a bunch for high fees. They all went back. Spent 0 last year. 

 

We cant be hit again surely as its ridiculous. What are we meant to do go through 2 years of 10k week embargo and sell the tea lady? We ve stripped enough. 

 

Its already laughable that we was the only team to get a points dedution while villa, yourselves and derby all sold a ground to yourselves and got away with it. 

[The Dukeries Owl]

17 minutes ago, BrumBlue said:

Adams and jota bought in 20 mil. And got rid few high earners like ndoye. Probably made/saved 25 million. They put the transfers through this years books.

 

The year we broke everything was when we loaned a bunch for high fees. They all went back. Spent 0 last year. 

 

We cant be hit again surely as its ridiculous. What are we meant to do go through 2 years of 10k week embargo and sell the tea lady? We ve stripped enough. 

 

Its already laughable that we was the only team to get a points dedution while villa, yourselves and derby all sold a ground to yourselves and got away with it. 

 

Even we never spent 202 million on wages in one season 

[prowl]

1 hour ago, Quist said:

Slate was wiped clean with points deduction, They start again from this season.

Not true. They still have to stick to the 3 year rule.

[BrumBlue]

21 minutes ago, The Dukeries Owl said:

 

Even we never spent 202 million on wages in one season 

We ve been punished already. 

 

Are we meant to lose 9 points every season? We ve spent 4 million this window give us a break ey. 

 

Feels like the league hates us brummies. Disgusting bullying...

[prowl]

3 minutes ago, BrumBlue said:

We ve been punished already. 

 

Are we meant to lose 9 points every season? We ve spent 4 million this window give us a break ey. 

 

Feels like the league hates us brummies. Disgusting bullying...

The league does hate brummies, Everybody hates brummies.

[Groundhopping Owl]

4 hours ago, malek said:

Would love to see us take a look at Dundee United's prodigy Scott Banks. Watched him in both cup games this season, and he looks like someone who can have great career in the game.

Interesting, will look out for him. Dundee Utd have spent a fair whack on players this summer to try and get back into the top flight so they might be amenable to a sale to balance the books.

 

The Scottish youngster I'd want is Aaron Hickey at Hearts - 17 year-old left back who made his senior debut in the Scottish Cup final and was probably the best player on the pitch, certainly out of those in a Hearts shirt. Looks like a mega talent (sorry @edinburghowl).

[Quist]

1 hour ago, Minton said:

 

They simply reported that

"it follows a review of the financial submission from Birmingham City for the three-year period 2015/16 to 2017/18 where it was determined the Club had recorded losses in excess of the £39.0m upper loss threshold

On 14 August 2018 the Club was charged with a breach of those Rules. At a hearing on 18 March 2019, the Club pleaded guilty to the charge, and after hearing representations from both parties, the panel has fully considered the matter and ruled a nine-point deduction is appropriate, which will take effect in the current season."

 

Says nothing about wiping the slate clean, just they've breached the 3 year rolling P&S rules. Which carry on rolling this season. 

 

They are absolutely up a certain river without a certain implement unless they turn a huge profit this season. And they can't sell the ground as it is listed as an Assest of Community Value and requires a 6 month consultancy period and the bid able to be matched by the trust holders and / or local council. 

 

I will try and explain the situation.

 

Firstly the EFL did make a statement it was end of the matter.

 

The rules are you are allowed to lose up to £13 million per season and it is assessed over 3 year period.

 I hope all those who posted agree with this.

 

Secondly they were charged over previous 3 year period and were asked to a fine (points deduction for exceeding £30 million loss limit.

 

This penalty effectively levelled up Birmingham for 3 previous years to £39 million loss. Hope we can all see that. Hence they come into this season carrying £26 million loss. When this years losses are known if exceeded £13 million loss would effectively be immediately in trouble if based over 3 years. in reality losses are not an even amount but vary and when you have paid a penalty on a loss impossible to use those figures again. So effectively start new 3 year period. the rules were ill thought out and o try and impose a penalty twice on same set of losses would not stand up in any court. To show you what I mean if they broke even in first year 45 million loss 2nd year and broke even in 3rd year. They have breached rule in this period. if they broke even in next year if considering previous years they could be in breach again. Hence has yo be new period. I accept scenario is unlikely but possible.

 

I am aware Birmingham are losing money hand over fist and situation not good I have no idea what reported loss is in this years accounts they will have to be careful but will not be penalised until new period is completed.

 

If anybody thinks this is wrong find a dood solicitor and ask if you can be penalised twice for same data which is effectively situation.

 

 

 

 

s in 4th ear they could be punished again if taking two 

[Quist]

1 hour ago, prowl said:

Not true. They still have to stick to the 3 year rule.

See reply to Minton

[Quist]

2 hours ago, Tamworthowl said:

 

Its not.

its still a three year cycle they have to adhere to.

They can sign a £7m target because they sold Jota and Adams for much more.

See reply to Minton

[Quist]

2 hours ago, bladeshater said:

It's a 3 year rolling period 

See reply to minton

[bladeshater]

10 minutes ago, Quist said:

See reply to minton

I know how it works but thanks for effort 

[HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU]

1 hour ago, BrumBlue said:

Adams and jota bought in 20 mil. And got rid few high earners like ndoye. Probably made/saved 25 million. They put the transfers through this years books.

 

The year we broke everything was when we loaned a bunch for high fees. They all went back. Spent 0 last year. 

 

We cant be hit again surely as its ridiculous. What are we meant to do go through 2 years of 10k week embargo and sell the tea lady? We ve stripped enough. 

 

Its already laughable that we was the only team to get a points dedution while villa, yourselves and derby all sold a ground to yourselves and got away with it. 

What happened to Brum was wrong, but this is all caused by parachute payments

 

Wednesday are one of the few teams that never had parachute payments

 

Clubs cannot compete financially in the same division as the teams relegated from the premier, it’s not a level playing field

[HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU]

1 hour ago, BrumBlue said:

We ve been punished already. 

 

Are we meant to lose 9 points every season? We ve spent 4 million this window give us a break ey. 

 

Feels like the league hates us brummies. Disgusting bullying...

I don’t think people hate you

 

But you do talk funny

[Tamworthowl]

11 minutes ago, Quist said:

 

I will try and explain the situation.

 

Firstly the EFL did make a statement it was end of the matter.

 

The rules are you are allowed to lose up to £13 million per season and it is assessed over 3 year period.

 I hope all those who posted agree with this.

 

Secondly they were charged over previous 3 year period and were asked to a fine (points deduction for exceeding £30 million loss limit.

 

This penalty effectively levelled up Birmingham for 3 previous years to £39 million loss. Hope we can all see that. Hence they come into this season carrying £26 million loss. When this years losses are known if exceeded £13 million loss would effectively be immediately in trouble if based over 3 years. in reality losses are not an even amount but vary and when you have paid a penalty on a loss impossible to use those figures again. So effectively start new 3 year period. the rules were ill thought out and o try and impose a penalty twice on same set of losses would not stand up in any court. To show you what I mean if they broke even in first year 45 million loss 2nd year and broke even in 3rd year. They have breached rule in this period. if they broke even in next year if considering previous years they could be in breach again. Hence has yo be new period. I accept scenario is unlikely but possible.

 

I am aware Birmingham are losing money hand over fist and situation not good I have no idea what reported loss is in this years accounts they will have to be careful but will not be penalised until new period is completed.

 

If anybody thinks this is wrong find a dood solicitor and ask if you can be penalised twice for same data which is effectively situation.

 

 

 

 

s in 4th ear they could be punished again if taking two 

 

I disagree.

Your analogy is irrelevant to this situation. Consider someone in court for, say GBH. Found guilty, normally a two year sentence. Judge says to defendant, you've been done for GBH before, so five year sentence. Data (the first offence) used twice.

 

Brum have been assessed for P&S for the three year period 15-16 to 17-18.

They will be judged for 16-17 to 18-19 even though there is some common data elements.

 

Taking your "been punished once" argument: we were embargoed last year, so why hasn't our position been reset? Answer, because we're under a different three year period.

[Quist]

4 minutes ago, Tamworthowl said:

 

I disagree.

Your analogy is irrelevant to this situation. Consider someone in court for, say GBH. Found guilty, normally a two year sentence. Judge says to defendant, you've been done for GBH before, so five year sentence. Data (the first offence) used twice.

 

Brum have been assessed for P&S for the three year period 15-16 to 17-18.

They will be judged for 16-17 to 18-19 even though there is some common data elements.

 

Taking your "been punished once" argument: we were embargoed last year, so why hasn't our position been reset? Answer, because we're under a different three year period.

different that is taking into account previous offence not using same data to convict again. If a punishment has been paid on 16-17 and 17-18 years do you noy think losses in these years have been mitigated.