Sunderland tho..

[Bluesteel]

3 minutes ago, owls maniac said:

I felt for them because we have been their ourselves. 

 

Also found the walk through Sunderland quite depressing. Seems like a city left behind, like much of the North East really. 

 

Like most places outside of the core cities  in the north really. 

[owls maniac]

Just now, Bluesteel said:

 

Like most places outside of the core cities  in the north really. 

Fair. I mean, there are places like that across the north, midlands and south. But I got the train up through Hartlepool and then up to Sunderland and the problem feels more acute here. What is there on offer for the young people today? 

 

The government needs to invest heavily in these areas because there are no ‘market forces’ rectifying the problem. 

[Socialist_Owl]

24 minutes ago, owls maniac said:

I felt for them because we have been their ourselves. 

 

Also found the walk through Sunderland quite depressing. Seems like a city left behind, like much of the North East really. 

A less charming Slough.

 

That being said, Newcastle feels like an alive, vibrant city... No doubt to the university and their concerted effort to attract the arts.

 

Sunderland?  Mrrrrgh.

Edited April 2, 2018 by Socialist_Owl

[Rhubarb n Custard]

6 hours ago, thewookieisdown said:

 

 

But to disrespect the wonder that is pease pudding.

 

 

The only 'wonder' regards pease pudding is why the fück anybody likes it.

Meks me gip just thinking abart it.

[TomtheOwl95]

Feel for the fans, we've been where they are and it isn't nice. The club itself has been asking for it for a while though, mismanagement, players on huge money that are nowhere near worth it. A sorry state.

[markg]

Hope they go down and glad that we’ve put a nail in the coffin. I stopped two Sunderland fans from weeing in someone’s garden when we played them earlier in the season. The older bloke with his son said ‘just go in that garden, it’s not like we will be playing them again anytime soon’

 

damn right you won’t you scummy Newcastle wanna be

[upperwinngardensowl]

I feel for their fans having to put up with that home form for the last couple of years.

BTW, my first visit to the city of Sunderland, which I must say , looked a right dump.

[Groundhopping Owl]

They really were utterly woeful. The empty, faded seats in the ground were a perfect metaphor for the club - spiralling down in a mess, while players, backroom staff and board members queue up to jump ship. Only the hardy fans will be left - and they're heading for very hard times that I wouldn't wish on anyone. The Mackems weren't exactly out in huge numbers today but the ones that turned up clearly still cared and deserved a hell of a lot better. The team they put out huffed and puffed but ultimately didn't take much beating, they totally collapsed after our second goal.

 

I've got a personal connection to Sunderland as half of my dad's family are all from round there, but the vast majority fled in the late 90s as it suffered the same fate as too many other Northern cities. My dad took us back a few years ago and within an hour was insisting that we leave, he felt physically ill after seeing how down at heel it had become. I don't mind visiting it in fairness, the locals are absolutely cracking people and I count some of them as close friends. Sunderland sort of suffers in the same way as Rotherham does, in that it's got a bigger city just a few miles down the road that tends to cast a large shadow.

[Bluesteel]

9 hours ago, owls maniac said:

Fair. I mean, there are places like that across the north, midlands and south. But I got the train up through Hartlepool and then up to Sunderland and the problem feels more acute here. What is there on offer for the young people today? 

 

The government needs to invest heavily in these areas because there are no ‘market forces’ rectifying the problem. 

 

That train route is particularly barren, all those towns like Boro Hartlepool, Seaham and Peterlee before reaching Sunderland are all tucked out of the way and no one has any reason to go there any longer following the demise of various industries. Newcastle fairs much better and looks a lot better but even that city struggles with the distance from leeds. Thankfully Sheffield is closer to Leeds and Manchester to prevent it being another Boro or Sunderland (our fair city gets slagged but it’s not as bad as them!) but that has been both a blessing and a curse. Depressingly enough it is these places that all voted leave when it has been EU finding that has been doing what the government hasn’t and they will be worse off, it seemed ill thought out given the reliance of the area on Nissan.

 

Anyway, an empty stadium of light and second relegation for Sunderland just adds to the whole grim picture.

 

 

[Bluesteel]

7 hours ago, Groundhopping Owl said:

They really were utterly woeful. The empty, faded seats in the ground were a perfect metaphor for the club - spiralling down in a mess, while players, backroom staff and board members queue up to jump ship. Only the hardy fans will be left - and they're heading for very hard times that I wouldn't wish on anyone. The Mackems weren't exactly out in huge numbers today but the ones that turned up clearly still cared and deserved a hell of a lot better. The team they put out huffed and puffed but ultimately didn't take much beating, they totally collapsed after our second goal.

 

I've got a personal connection to Sunderland as half of my dad's family are all from round there, but the vast majority fled in the late 90s as it suffered the same fate as too many other Northern cities. My dad took us back a few years ago and within an hour was insisting that we leave, he felt physically ill after seeing how down at heel it had become. I don't mind visiting it in fairness, the locals are absolutely cracking people and I count some of them as close friends. Sunderland sort of suffers in the same way as Rotherham does, in that it's got a bigger city just a few miles down the road that tends to cast a large shadow.

 

The big difference is after 5pm in the town centre. In newcastle there are restaurants and people there. In Sunderland the shutters are down, you can hear a pin drop and someone shouting in the distance. I felt like I was in raccoon city from Resident Evil!

[owls maniac]

49 minutes ago, Bluesteel said:

 

That train route is particularly barren, all those towns like Boro Hartlepool, Seaham and Peterlee before reaching Sunderland are all tucked out of the way and no one has any reason to go there any longer following the demise of various industries. Newcastle fairs much better and looks a lot better but even that city struggles with the distance from leeds. Thankfully Sheffield is closer to Leeds and Manchester to prevent it being another Boro or Sunderland (our fair city gets slagged but it’s not as bad as them!) but that has been both a blessing and a curse. Depressingly enough it is these places that all voted leave when it has been EU finding that has been doing what the government hasn’t and they will be worse off, it seemed ill thought out given the reliance of the area on Nissan.

 

Anyway, an empty stadium of light and second relegation for Sunderland just adds to the whole grim picture.

 

 

Top summary that. My flat mate in London is from Hartlepool and he made a point of how cut off the town feels from everywhere else. It is a shame because the people are very warm and welcoming, but the bedrock of their communities in the form of big industry has gone and the government has done very little to stop these towns from declining into high unemployment and drug use. I don’t know what the long term answer is because well paid jobs aren’t coming back any time soon. 

[darklord]

11 hours ago, owls maniac said:

Fair. I mean, there are places like that across the north, midlands and south. But I got the train up through Hartlepool and then up to Sunderland and the problem feels more acute here. What is there on offer for the young people today? 

 

The government needs to invest heavily in these areas because there are no ‘market forces’ rectifying the problem. 

 

Sunderland has recieved Billions in funding to rebuild after the industry left.  Much was invested into building call centres up there and revitalising the city.

Those Billions came from the EU. Sunderland happily voted  for Brexit. Lot of right wingers there though (theyve had a few BNP councillers)

[TheEnchanter]

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/sheff-wed-supporters-yesterday.1425088/

[Onge]

April 2000. Two late Kevin Phillips goals see us lose 2-0 to at home to Sunderland - one of my lowest points of being a Wednesday fan. I'd foolishly let myself believe we might stay up after back-to-back wins but that result brought me crashing back to earth. I trashed my room in frustration. It feels nice, all these years later, to return the favour. Enjoy League One...

[Owls_fan_since_1983]

One of the teachers in the school I went to I annoyed him by doing something on Newcastle United on one units for Youth Awards.    he whipsed to me wrong team. 

[owls maniac]

2 hours ago, darklord said:

 

Sunderland has recieved Billions in funding to rebuild after the industry left.  Much was invested into building call centres up there and revitalising the city.

Those Billions came from the EU. Sunderland happily voted  for Brexit. Lot of right wingers there though (theyve had a few BNP councillers)

Well no offence but call centres aren’t going to adequately replace well paid jobs in industry. That’s how you end up with a low wage economy and a high street lined with charity shops.

[LJH1867OWLS]

We should all do the jocky against Fulham 

 

[Buckwheat]

Best laugh was the attendance, 29700. Whatta joke. I know we add non attending season ticket holders, but that's only in the few thousands. There was no way there were 27500 mackems, 15/16000 at most. Same happening at Arsenal. They should make clubs give the attendance as people who actually go. The clue is in the word " attendance ".

 

[darklord]

52 minutes ago, owls maniac said:

Well no offence but call centres aren’t going to adequately replace well paid jobs in industry. That’s how you end up with a low wage economy and a high street lined with charity shops.

 Oh I agree but it wasnt just call centres (just that they did attract a lot there) but millions pumped in for various projects. My wife taught there in one of the most deprived areas of the City and the school had huge investment (as did most there) thanks to EU funding. We move back down the the relatively well off East Yorkshire and the schools are sorely underfunded, crumbling, etc.

 

Sunderland was pretty much rebuilt using EU money but the majority there don't see it (or refuse to).  Imagine how much worse the place would be without that EU funding!

[kazads]

16 hours ago, Socialist_Owl said:

fizz 'em.  Serves them right for their brexit vote.

Thank God they voted for brexit at least they got something right...