JoshTheOwl Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 21 minutes ago, RUMBELOWS91 said: Starting to agree with this. Going downhill rapidly. Can't pass. Cant run. Easily bullied. Wish we'd cashed in the chips. This sums up Lees, and I’ve thought it for a while. also very apparent that he isn’t a leader at all. When Loovens isn’t there he’s un-workable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Fletcher whacked the ball out of play under no pressure before their throw in. Could he not look forward? Quick pass to someone next to him? For some reason we’re dying to go backwards all the time. Then what ensued was pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUMBELOWS91 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kopparberg said: Fletcher whacked the ball out of play under no pressure before their throw in. Could he not look forward? Quick pass to someone next to him? For some reason we’re dying to go backwards all the time. Then what ensued was pathetic. Yep- it's the mentality that's being drummed into them. 'If you can't see a pass, start again' - teams have worked it out and as soon as we do it they push up, force us back to Lees or Westwood who then just punt it forward anyway. I can't believe for one minute that when Steven Fletcher came here his thought (on receiving the ball in the opposition half) would be to float a ball back into his own half in the general direction of the full back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 If that ball even makes it to Lees, we know he’ll give it to Hunt, who will give it back to Lees, who will give it to Loovens, who will give it Westwood, who will lump it. If Flether (a forward) just thought of being positive instead, it wouldn’t have happened. What is this team doing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 50 minutes ago, daftpenguin said: He's been poor lately but let's not do this. Him being off form doesn't suddenly retroactively not make him our most solid centre back over the last three years. That said, he probably needs dropping for a couple. Could benefit van Aken's development also to play with his countryman Loovens. This. Great defender and a fantastic asset to the club. Hasn't had to earn his spot for far too long though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almat Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 We actually got rid of a better centre half at the end of last season. OK, he had a tendency to roger up occasionally (like Lees this season) but, my God, he was far more comfortable on the ball and could actually make a forward pass/run...both of which Lees lacks in his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Lees hasn't become gash overnight. One of the least enterprising centre halfs we have had at this club for a long time. I can now see why L**ds got shut. In fact I would go as far as saying our entire back 4 is probably about the poorest in this division. No pace, they cannot get a ball down the line, don't win no more than 50% of challenged headers and the amount of square and backward balls is just unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Barr Grylls said: Worst player on the pitch by a country mile Hunt and Loovens on a par with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Good point actually. We couldn’t get the ball down the line today. No one is there anyway though so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffield_dave Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Personally, with Lees it almost looks to me like his heads gone. Been talked up loads, had a really good couple of years, seen other young English centre backs kick on and get big moves and even international caps, had a sniff of interest himself from the Premier League (to whatever extent). He's probably thought of himself as being on the verge of a major breakthrough that's stalled along with our own failure to get promoted. He looks absolutely lost to me. He's a complete shell of the player we in much part built our last 2 seasons around, defensively. He's one of a few who I honestly think has reached the end here unless there are major changes to both the coaching staff and some of those around him on the pitch. Playing like a player who needs a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Lees isn't awful, he hasn't had an awful season. In recent games he's actually been solid. He just had a bad game tonight. Let's not be too reactionary about this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 He has been poor lately but when you look at the cover we have in Van Aken, I’d sooner see Lees keep his place in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl1987 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Not his best game tonight usually much better alongside loovens but my view is loovens has been poor alongside him also, never looking to advance forwards and some suspect looking sideways passes. Thought lees had a decent game v Bristol. He will come good again and since his arrival has overall been excellent. Van aken has been shaky but loovens isn't the way forward for me. Been a great servant but time to bed in van aken for next season. Lees also much better alongside hutch when fit and that may once again be the future pairing who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I haven't seen the game today so won't comment on the performance, but I've seen enough this season to know that he's still a quality CB. It's not his ability that's the problem, it's that he has the heart of a mouse, and he always has. I know that may come across as harsh, but he has over 200 Championship appearances and approaching his late 20's and he still needs babysitting by Loovens. He's no captain, never has been. He is Premier League quality (not England international quality though ), but him playing there will be entirely reliant on him sorting his head out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftpenguin Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, CLswfc said: Too many poor performances now. I can understand why Leeds got shut. The most negative player I've seen for a long time at Hillsborough. 50 minutes ago, CLswfc said: Lees hasn't become gash overnight. One of the least enterprising centre halfs we have had at this club for a long time. I can now see why L**ds got shut. In fact I would go as far as saying our entire back 4 is probably about the poorest in this division. No pace, they cannot get a ball down the line, don't win no more than 50% of challenged headers and the amount of square and backward balls is just unbelievable. So important that you had to post it wrong twice, considering the phrase is 'get shot of him'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortlandOwl Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Had a shocker tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Williams Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Shocking tonight, But not the only one. Hunt wants shooting aswell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomtheOwl95 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Needs a spell on the bench for me, sometimes a spell out of the side is what players need to rediscover themselves. Some of the mistakes this season have been very unlike him after being so solid since he arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, CLswfc said: Lees hasn't become gash overnight. One of the least enterprising centre halfs we have had at this club for a long time. I can now see why L**ds got shut. In fact I would go as far as saying our entire back 4 is probably about the poorest in this division. No pace, they cannot get a ball down the line, don't win no more than 50% of challenged headers and the amount of square and backward balls is just unbelievable. That is not only demonstrably incorrect, it's wrong by almost the entire width of the league. Regardless of our attacking threat, we've consistently had one of the stingiest defences in the Championship for the entirety of CC's tenure. No more or less than a simple fact. Granted they've been slightly wobblier this season than in the previous two, but c'mon man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Very poor game. Very good player. Has saved us on many occasions thus season. Show him some support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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