Bluesteel Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 He’s right to stop protecting the players and even the players comments suggests they don’t want protecting. But it is a bit odd to be acknowledging it as some kind of new issue or lesson. We have had this for ages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 5 hours ago, trevdi9 said: this was not needed to be mention'd mentality problems or not, just seems to me like he is covering his back Getting his excuses in early should it go t1ts up at Derby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincolnowl Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 What's this private thing going on? Is is there something behind the scenes? It wouldn't really surprise would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 So what most people are saying is that experienced, well paid players are not capable of going on the pitch and showing some bottle unless the manager tells them they've got to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldGigsChris Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 This mental issue isn't a new one - https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2017/october/refreshed-and-ready/ David Jones said: “There is a balance between the physical training and the mental rest that you need. “The body goes where the mind tells it to go so if you’re refreshed and ready to go, that is as important as the physical training. “There has been a lot of pressure, a lot of build-up but with the squad we’ve got at Wednesday, we know we’ve got the capabilities to cope with that and I think we have responded really well.” “This week in training, everyone has been up for it, it’s been very energetic, we are refreshed and ready to go,” he added. “If you look at the month before the next international break, we feel we have a big opportunity to get some results and see an improvement in our league position.” Well that went well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, oldishowl said: So what most people are saying is that experienced, well paid players are not capable of going on the pitch and showing some bottle unless the manager tells them they've got to It's not bottle...it's leadership on the field. The captain's been out and hutch. Bannan throwing his arms up..like Hooper is not leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robster_owl Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 5 hours ago, matthefish2002 said: Great managers like Brian Clough and Ron Atkinson would find ways to relax players before games and get them into the right frame of mind... I dread to think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 6 hours ago, Hookowl said: If this is the case why mention it at a press conference tbh this is another thing he needs taking to task about hanging players out to dry than god he hasn't named anyone this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 30 minutes ago, Costello 77 said: It's not bottle...it's leadership on the field. The captain's been out and hutch. Bannan throwing his arms up..like Hooper is not leadership. I agree and have used leadership in my other posts Given that Carlos also said the defence is not the problem it will be interesting to see if Loovens returns on Saturday, I am pretty sure Hutch will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, oldishowl said: I agree and have used leadership in my other posts Given that Carlos also said the defence is not the problem it will be interesting to see if Loovens returns on Saturday, I am pretty sure Hutch will. He said they're both fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lees Tom Cat Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 2 hours ago, damianb1 said: The players could just grow a pair ffs! Easier said than done if you are down and people are screaming "Grow a pair FFS" at them, While they are getting abuse from every angle too We don't know what it is tbf but i can imagine that may have been your answer to Kirkland when he was at SWFC suffering "Grow a pair FFS!" Doubt that would help. I suppose while Carlos is getting a majority of the abuse it gives the players a brief break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland nilson Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Brighton away last season was one of several instances where the team / manager doesn’t seem to have a strong enough mentality to finish games off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlsdreamer Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 hour ago, S36 OWL said: Getting his excuses in early should it go t1ts up at Derby Getting his excuses in early WHEN it goes boobies up at Derby. There......corrected it for you. Was offered 2 tickets the other day for Derby and had to really talk myself into wanting to go. The season is fukked and CC wants certifying me thinks. Think ill hibernate and need waking up when he's done one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damianb1 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, Lees Tom Cat said: Easier said than done if you are down and people are screaming "Grow a pair FFS" at them, While they are getting abuse from every angle too We don't know what it is tbf but i can imagine that may have been your answer to Kirkland when he was at SWFC suffering "Grow a pair FFS!" Doubt that would help. I suppose while Carlos is getting a majority of the abuse it gives the players a brief break. No it wouldn't and to suggest so is crass. These are very well paid individuals who should have experience in dealing with the pressure that the job they are very well paid for requires of them. I've had friends and colleagues suffer from mental illness and am fully aware of and sympathetic towards the effects it has on those affected and those around them. Mental illness is not one to be treated lightly and because it is unseen many sufferers often suffer in silence for long period of time and can be viewed as malingerers as people's view is often "look at him theres nothing wrong with him". Our manager has opened up this can of worms by his comments and imho his allusions are nothing short of disgraceful. Every day he continues to be paid by our club is a sad one in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lees Tom Cat Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, damianb1 said: No it wouldn't and to suggest so is crass. These are very well paid individuals who should have experience in dealing with the pressure that the job they are very well paid for requires of them. The rest of your post after this is meaningless.Money is no cure. I refer you to my post you first quoted.That kind of stress and losses in a short space of time will have an effect on most players no matter how much dosh they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Carlos Carvalhal insists there is an issue with the mental side of the squad. He repeatedly answered questions in todays press conference by saying there wasn't an issue of quality in the squad but it's a mental thing. He went on to say it was a private thing happening and he didn't want to discuss this in the press but there are things going on mentally with the players The only thing that can sort this is Edited October 19, 2017 by Blue and white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne_rat_of_s6 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 12 hours ago, Bluesteel said: He’s right to stop protecting the players and even the players comments suggests they don’t want protecting. But it is a bit odd to be acknowledging it as some kind of new issue or lesson. We have had this for ages This^^^* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne_rat_of_s6 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 9 hours ago, Blue and white said: The only thing that can sort this is Motivational coach-job done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred mciver Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) Carlos is clearly desperate. Keeps dissing his team. Can't make it easy to motivate them. Edited October 20, 2017 by fred mciver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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