IstillhateSteveBould Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Holmowl said: Because Carlos is either blind, stupid, or being told to play him striker. No clear-thinking intelligent manager in control of selection would see him as a striker. Love it. You genuinely think you know more about this than a professional football manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 32 minutes ago, WhiteOwl91 said: Forestieri is SWFC's best player. He's however not SWFC's best striker. Or even in the best two. Probably not even in the best 3! Who's done more (as a striker) from our current options? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Cosby Blunkett said: He's clarified the following for me. Carlos thinks Foresteri is best employed on the left of midfield. Foresteri disagrees and says he feels he plays better centrally. Carlos relents, plays the player where he wants, even though CC knows this will be to the detriment of the team, then tells us this won't happen all the time. I still find it as embarrassing for both parties and as worrying for SWFC, as when I read the original quotes. Thanks for the clarification. When did he say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elyowl1 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 FF on left great chance of promotion, down the middle wasted season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 13 minutes ago, elyowl1 said: FF on left great chance of promotion, down the middle wasted season. Most likely it will be four games striker, too few goals poor results switch left more goals great results switch back to striker repeat Like the last two seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoat Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) In FF's first season we had a hungry player who was bagging goals, I was shocked at how regular he was scoring. Now we have a player who's confidence is either shot or who isn't playing for the manager. He used to harass people, sniff anything out and more importantly shoot fromlong range which would either sail in or cause the opposition keeper problems. Do we see that now? It's time to stop pretending, the old FF is gone and the manager is the cause of that. FF is no longer the weapon he was. Edited August 8, 2017 by Redcoat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookone Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 2 hours ago, HIGHERSTATE said: Can we put this to bed now Weve enough to worry about Just get back to winning some games Enough to worry about???, anyone would think we were a bottom league 1 team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Cosby Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, IstillhateSteveBould said: When did he say that? Sorry, I was paraphrasing. Taking his statements and behaviour into account he gives the impression that he feels FF is better employed on the left. However, you are right in saying he hasn't said this explicitly. But if that isn't his belief then why bring up the whole sorry story in the first place? If Carlos agrees that FF is best played centrally then surely there isn't even an explanation to be given? Instead he threw the player under the proverbial bus in his post match interview, telling us all that he doesn't want to play on the wing. I feel it was a flippant attempt to direct attention away from a poor performance; instead it showed Carlos' real lack of strength in his own convictions and serious frailties in his man management. Edited August 8, 2017 by Cosby Blunkett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, Redcoat said: In FF's first season we had a hungry player who was bagging goals, I was shocked at how regular he was scoring. Now we have a player who's confidence is either shot or who isn't playing for the manager. He used to harass people, sniff anything out and more importantly shoot fromlong range which would either sail in or cause the opposition keeper problems. Do we see that now? It's time to stop pretending, the old FF is gone and the manager is the cause of that. FF is no longer the weapon he was. Yet pretty much everyone agreed he was our best player on Saturday and most had him as one of our best performers against Huddersfield. So he's clearly not the biggest problem currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Fessi isnt a striker , he is better out left cutting in . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 38 minutes ago, Redcoat said: In FF's first season we had a hungry player who was bagging goals, I was shocked at how regular he was scoring. Now we have a player who's confidence is either shot or who isn't playing for the manager. He used to harass people, sniff anything out and more importantly shoot fromlong range which would either sail in or cause the opposition keeper problems. Do we see that now? It's time to stop pretending, the old FF is gone and the manager is the cause of that. FF is no longer the weapon he was. I actually think he's become a bigger weapon over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl91 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 1 hour ago, IstillhateSteveBould said: Who's done more (as a striker) from our current options? Depends what you mean by done more. and in what time frame Career-wise, most of them. Last season, Fletcher. (Goals per minute played) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Carlos is better keeping his comments regarding forestieris playing position and where he likes to himself really because the last two articles have made him look very weak imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 39 minutes ago, Cosby Blunkett said: Sorry, I was paraphrasing. Taking his statements and behaviour into account he gives the impression that he feels FF is better employed on the left. However, you are right in saying he hasn't said this explicitly. But if that isn't his belief then why bring up the whole sorry story in the first place? If Carlos agrees that FF is best played centrally then surely there isn't even an explanation to be given? Instead he threw the player under the proverbial bus in his post match interview, telling us all that he doesn't want to play on the wing. I feel it was a flippant attempt to direct attention away from a poor performance; instead it showed Carlos' real lack of strength in his own convictions and serious frailties in his man management. I agree, Carlos has thrown FF under the bus a little here, and I think he knows that which is why he felt the need to explain himself. But looking at it as a whole I think he's just feeling the pressure and letting his guard slip. Why else would he even talk about these things in public? My take on it, is that Carlos definitely sees FF primarily as a forward, but who's more than capable of playing on the left when the need arises. I think journalists can be very sneaky in how they interpret things sometimes. Earlier in the summer it was reported that we'd see FF on the left more this season, and some people will just take that at face value and think Carlos now sees him more as a winger. In reality he was simply being asked how he was going to manage his ridiculous number of strikers. The fact is they can't all play so inevitably FF will be used on the left more often to accommodate this. Nowhere did he say FF wouldn't play up top. Nowhere did he say he rates any of his other strikers higher than FF. So you have to assume FF will still feature as a forward sometimes. Then he reveals a conversation between him and FF regarding his form in pres season and it instantly jumped on as Carlos giving in to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maxine Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Cant see anything wrong with a manager praising one of his players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Holmowl said: Because Carlos is either blind, stupid, or being told to play him striker. No clear-thinking intelligent manager in control of selection would see him as a striker. Play him in the hole in a 5212. Its the only way. We have a good squad 3 defenders away from playing how it should be played. Having 7 strikers is frankly a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, billyblack said: Play him in the hole in a 5212. Its the only way. We have a good squad 3 defenders away from playing how it should be played. Having 7 strikers is frankly a joke Carlos need to break with dogma to make the best out of our squad. So ridiculous to gave so many quality strikers not in the team. Edited August 8, 2017 by Bodhidharma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horny owl Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 As long as Carlos is our manager many of our players will be wasted including Fessi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp1981 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Bodhidharma said: But it's still a problem. He needs to play on the left. Why isn't he? Because you would need to change the formation to accommodate him playing there if the thing about tracking back is true. For me he would have to play wide left in a 451 formation or effectively 433, which may be the case at times. As CC says the formation we play is very adaptable and changes from a 442 during games (sort of contradicted myself here). If the midfield contained an extra man to cover FF he wouldn't need to track back as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chardron Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Beggars belief that he actually acknowledges that the way we play doesn't get the best out of our players.... yet continues to play that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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