StudentOwl Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 1 hour ago, East Yorks Owl said: All this talk of throwing big money at star players reminds me of the story of the Oakland Athletics baseball team which was dramatised by the Brad Pitt movie Moneyball. It's currently on Netflix and well worth a viewing. Based on a true story it's basically about how a small budget team like Oakland set a major league record of 20 straight wins by analysing prospective players to measure their worth versus cost for the team. They hired a Yale economics graduate to process the player analysis from a mathematics formula. I'm not saying football recruitment should be carried out by mathematics boffins, but I do believe that a lot of player recruitment is very poor business. Assuming all teams have an overall budget, surely the art of player recruitment is about blending a group of players that make you great as a whole? Brentford, who operate on what is essentially a glorified League One budget, take this approach exactly and are now an established Championship side that year after year finish in mid table... way beyond what should be their station. It's the way forward, unfortunately I think football has been stuck in a bit of a rut and run by dinosaurs that haven't cottoned on yet that it can be of huge help to make signings based on these facts. Not sure if recent player recruitment at Wednesday has took this into account, and if so by how much, but hopefully we're now using it to influence our decision about certain buys alongside the traditional methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Mr Mercury said: Possibly, just heard the boro interest on Sky last night In all Seriousness I think that was Scott Hogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 There's a lot on here crying out for this other centre back and I'm not too sure why, I've genuinely never seen a bad game from sasso. Is it because we need to spend money for a replacement. Also loovens is very underrated by some on here. His record speaks for himself. but I do share concerns interns of depth if injuries suspensions start to take place cause I don't want hutch taking out midfield and we don't want another situation where semi is lining up centre back. I want to trust in Carlos that urby is injured and has a role to play based on that I think we have more than enough at left back. Right back could be improved but I think both hunt and palmer are steady enough ( still would like to see this strengthening) based on goals this year I say we need a striker but for mw we need to shift out sougo mcgugan bus deilena melo semi will be peanuts and his attitude and love is worth keeping until his contract is up matias can go on loan if we get in a striker and we can get sone £££££ for big dave then let him go and loan out Joao for me Joao hasn't shown enough and i would more than take £3 million for him if an offered came him it's not a overhaul it's cleaning up the players that are not even on the fringe of making the bench with the exception of improving our forward line if you look at our goals scored against goals conceded in comparison to the rest around us and at the top for me to improve we need to add goals that's why I go another striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 23 minutes ago, waddleisgod said: The Bizzle said he was coming to us and that's good enough for me No he didn't, best not put words in his mouth, he won't be pleased. He said a deal had been agreed in principle between us, 'Boro and Rhodes. Obviously that deal in principle has been agreed but not signed... it seems pretty obvious that if 'Boro had a choice they'd like to sell, and I imagine if a club comes with an offer matching their price tag, they'll do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mercury Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, Baggiehy said: In all Seriousness I think that was Scott Hogan Was it ? Genuinely thought Bruce was talking about Gestede / Boro on Sky last night , saying two clubs were talking and he had nothing further to add.... Must have Mis heard mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Rhodes?. I'm reliably informed we are exchanging FF + £1M for Vardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, sherlyegg said: Rhodes?. I'm reliably informed we are exchanging FF + £1M for Vardy. Source ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Source ? Heroine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adifferentgame Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 1 hour ago, shez owl said: Well I'm convinced I've used my sky bet free bet on this That's it off then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, bladeshater said: Heroine Heroin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, prowl said: Heroin? Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, bladeshater said: Sorry Just checking, not sure if there was a subtle joke in there that I'd missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianowl Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 18 minutes ago, StudentOwl said: Brentford, who operate on what is essentially a glorified League One budget, take this approach exactly and are now an established Championship side that year after year finish in mid table... way beyond what should be their station. It's the way forward, unfortunately I think football has been stuck in a bit of a rut and run by dinosaurs that haven't cottoned on yet that it can be of huge help to make signings based on these facts. Not sure if recent player recruitment at Wednesday has took this into account, and if so by how much, but hopefully we're now using it to influence our decision about certain buys alongside the traditional methods. Southampton utilize the 'analytics' approach as well. They hired Ralph Kruger - an NHL hockey coach with a background in using analytics to squeeze as much results out of a small squad (his one season with Edmonton a few years ago almost got them into the playoffs with a young inexperienced team on a crap budget). He took over Southampton 2 or 3 years ago and translated it to football recruitment, and now Southampton are consistently top 7-9 every year despite selling half their team for top dollar and then recruiting relative unknowns on the cheap and reloading the team every year. I swear, Southampton are making profits outside of the Sky TV deal and still competing for Europe every season. It works with the right people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, prowl said: Just checking, not sure if there was a subtle joke in there that I'd missed. Bloody fone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 15 minutes ago, Mr Mercury said: Was it ? Genuinely thought Bruce was talking about Gestede / Boro on Sky last night , saying two clubs were talking and he had nothing further to add.... Must have Mis heard mate My sausage fingers quoted you forgetting it wouldn't include the post you quote linking Rhodes with West Brom. To my Knowledge We haven't been linked to Rhodes just scott hogan. Gestede has been ruled out as we'd have to build a stables and noone particulary wants to shovel donkey poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 1 hour ago, East Yorks Owl said: I think it could be a blessing in disguise if we miss out on Rhodes. Firstly is he that much better than our existing striking options and secondly could the money be spent in other areas more needy of improvement? Also it has to be said that we aren't doing that badly with our current squad and it appears that the team morale is first class. If it ain't broke why try and fix it? All this talk of throwing big money at star players reminds me of the story of the Oakland Athletics baseball team which was dramatised by the Brad Pitt movie Moneyball. It's currently on Netflix and well worth a viewing. Based on a true story it's basically about how a small budget team like Oakland set a major league record of 20 straight wins by analysing prospective players to measure their worth versus cost for the team. They hired a Yale economics graduate to process the player analysis from a mathematics formula. I'm not saying football recruitment should be carried out by mathematics boffins, but I do believe that a lot of player recruitment is very poor business. Assuming all teams have an overall budget, surely the art of player recruitment is about blending a group of players that make you great as a whole? Got CSE C minus, in maths, but here goes, Sheffield Wednesday + Jordan Rhodes = Goals That was a lot easier than I thought it was going to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontCallMeOwlCallYou Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 37 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Source ? Probably lots of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I believe in Lucas Joao ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigthinrob Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: I believe in Lucas Joao ! I believed in Santa Claus Nev, but the Ferrari never arrived!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupremeOwl Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 26 minutes ago, Baggiehy said: My sausage fingers quoted you forgetting it wouldn't include the post you quote linking Rhodes with West Brom. To my Knowledge We haven't been linked to Rhodes just scott hogan. Gestede has been ruled out as we'd have to build a stables and noone particulary wants to shovel donkey poo Well it's got to be better than playing for Cardiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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