Salli Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Just now, Salli said: I responded to the presumably tongue in cheek comment that pub struggles - and the industry as a whole - is down to hipsters and vegans. Nobody mentioned anybody being owed a loving. How should pubs best adapt do you think? Too late to edit, but we all deserve some loving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Malc Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 42 minutes ago, Salli said: I responded to the presumably tongue in cheek comment that pub struggles - and the industry as a whole - is down to hipsters and vegans. Nobody mentioned anybody being owed a loving. How should pubs best adapt do you think? There needs to be less of them People are choosing to consume at home and there shouldn’t be pressure from the licensed industry to punish supermarkets for facilitating this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post quinnssweetshop Posted January 6 Popular Post Share Posted January 6 Whether it be in a small village, or a large city . A pub used to be part of the community. And community is being destroyed throughout Britain. It, is that, that is missed. The powers that be, see no reason to save the privately owned pub industry, as much as it never seeks to save any small business. Just another step along the road to a controlled state. 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salli Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, Big Malc said: There needs to be less of them People are choosing to consume at home and there shouldn’t be pressure from the licensed industry to punish supermarkets for facilitating this Your strategy for pub survival, is the closure of pubs? I'll pass that on! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Cool pubs aren’t struggling as much Just the old fashioned pubs that nobody really wants Lots of new bars and micro pubs opening up 3 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salli Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 36 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Cool pubs aren’t struggling as much Just the old fashioned pubs that nobody really wants Lots of new bars and micro pubs opening up They're struggling too, and generally have very reduced opening hours New ones opening doesn't mean much. Both breweries within a 5 minute walk of mine have recently shut (1 of them as recently as yesterday), yet new ones continue to pop up because it's a passion We had 3 pubs going into the pandemic. 1 of them pre-dates me but shut because it didn't come anywhere near recovering. Its since been taken on by someone else but fares no better now despite being located right next to the castle. 1 of our other 2 pubs - a micropub located just off the marketplace - has to be heavily subsidised by the brewery through the summer due to lack of outdoor space, but does catch up enough in the winter to break even. Our other micropub located just outside of town is more stable and provides a living for it's staff but doesn't really make anything beyond that. Our biggest customer after our own pubs is a traditional place, in a Nottingham suburb and are making noises about not renewing their lease in the summer due to increased rent. Our next biggest after that is probably Games Workshop who have just struck a deal with Buddweiser so I'm anticipating a downturn for us there too We stopped opening our onsite taproom on non-matchdays because it was nowhere near worth it, even despite not paying ourselves to man the bar. Our most local taproom is in considerable debt, though I have no idea about the others Regarding supermarkets, we stopped supplying Co-Ops because they refused to renegotiate our pricing agreement three years running. By the end of the contract we were making 6 (six) to 8 (eight) pence per bottle. Obviously I'm a consumer aswell, thus equally guilty of enjoying variation over sticking to one beer all night, and occasionally utilise the convenience of Tesco where I live. So I think I have a fairly rounded viewpoint on the whole, without *too* much resentment or bias Saw on Facebook this morning about forty foot reopening in a few weeks btw, whether true or not. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 3 hours ago, quinnssweetshop said: Whether it be in a small village, or a large city . A pub used to be part of the community. And community is being destroyed throughout Britain. It, is that, that is missed. The powers that be, see no reason to save the privately owned pub industry, as much as it never seeks to save any small business. Just another step along the road to a controlled state. A controlled state? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) how’s the new barrack doing these days? Used to love in back in early 2000s whilst living in Hillsborough, especially the chip buttys Edited January 6 by modboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 16 hours ago, @owlstalk said: "I couldn't go in.. I were barred" They’re well known local “traders” …….. Often found outside Wordsworth Tavern, Southey Club, Beagle, Forty Foot etc selling their wares ……..Specialising in Lurpak, packets of bacon, tins of salmon etc at remarkably cheap prices too! 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Wicket Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, Salli said: They're struggling too, and generally have very reduced opening hours New ones opening doesn't mean much. Both breweries within a 5 minute walk of mine have recently shut (1 of them as recently as yesterday), yet new ones continue to pop up because it's a passion We had 3 pubs going into the pandemic. 1 of them pre-dates me but shut because it didn't come anywhere near recovering. Its since been taken on by someone else but fares no better now despite being located right next to the castle. 1 of our other 2 pubs - a micropub located just off the marketplace - has to be heavily subsidised by the brewery through the summer due to lack of outdoor space, but does catch up enough in the winter to break even. Our other micropub located just outside of town is more stable and provides a living for it's staff but doesn't really make anything beyond that. Our biggest customer after our own pubs is a traditional place, in a Nottingham suburb and are making noises about not renewing their lease in the summer due to increased rent. Our next biggest after that is probably Games Workshop who have just struck a deal with Buddweiser so I'm anticipating a downturn for us there too We stopped opening our onsite taproom on non-matchdays because it was nowhere near worth it, even despite not paying ourselves to man the bar. Our most local taproom is in considerable debt, though I have no idea about the others Regarding supermarkets, we stopped supplying Co-Ops because they refused to renegotiate our pricing agreement three years running. By the end of the contract we were making 6 (six) to 8 (eight) pence per bottle. Obviously I'm a consumer aswell, thus equally guilty of enjoying variation over sticking to one beer all night, and occasionally utilise the convenience of Tesco where I live. So I think I have a fairly rounded viewpoint on the whole, without *too* much resentment or bias Saw on Facebook this morning about forty foot reopening in a few weeks btw, whether true or not. I work at small brewery and it is really difficult at the moment with costs rising. Publicans are under great pressure with their cost especially rent increases and energy going through the roof as they come to the end of any deals they had.. A lot more pubs will be closing as rising costs and lack of trade take there toll. Lots of these new Tap Houses are run on a part time basis with owners having day jobs, running them as a hobby is the only way they can keep them open. As a sales person at a brewery and a consumer one of my biggest gripes is some of the crap beer these places sell, but when a brewery comes in and says "we'll sell it at £70 a cask" compared to the £90 a cask for something decent they are going to buy it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevowls1 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Forty Foot reopening 6-8 weeks...New management. Ah that's a relief. It's a good match day pub if you're parked that side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnssweetshop Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, vulva said: A controlled state? An ambiguous comment on my part... Was early... By it I meant the crushing of the small business as opposed to large organisations... There's some good comments above that show how little thought is given to supporting small breweries etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl999 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 6 hours ago, quinnssweetshop said: Whether it be in a small village, or a large city . A pub used to be part of the community. And community is being destroyed throughout Britain. It, is that, that is missed. The powers that be, see no reason to save the privately owned pub industry, as much as it never seeks to save any small business. Just another step along the road to a controlled state. Completely agree , it a shame others don’t recognise the bigger picture and seem to welcome the infringement on their freedoms and rights under the guise that’s it’s good for them . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 9 hours ago, Salli said: I responded to the presumably tongue in cheek comment that pub struggles - and the industry as a whole - is down to hipsters and vegans. Nobody mentioned anybody being owed a loving. How should pubs best adapt do you think? They need to offer food first and foremost Also regular new reasons to visit (special nights, good entertainment, sports teams, food nights, movie nights etc) and most importantly need to learn how to market themselves (social media, YouTube, podcasts etc) as I don’t know of a single pub that does this right also be nicer places to be - eg when you walk In don’t have signs up saying ‘toilets for our customers only’ and don’t have signs in the pub toilets warning about ‘don’t do drugs in this pub or we will call the cops’ etc sell coffees of all types and even smoothies as people want healthier things these days 4 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 46 minutes ago, quinnssweetshop said: An ambiguous comment on my part... Was early... By it I meant the crushing of the small business as opposed to large organisations... Yeah, that's called capitalism buddy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnssweetshop Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 11 minutes ago, scram said: Yeah, that's called capitalism buddy. Keep drinking that buckfast in Wetherspoons !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osaka Owl Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 3 hours ago, modboy said: how’s the new barrack doing these days? Used to love in back in early 2000s whilst living in Hillsborough, especially the chip buttys Same question here! I've always enjoyed visiting the NBT whenever I've managed to make it back to the old country. Sadly, it's been almost six years since the last time. Hoping to remedy that this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisewoodowl Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 5 hours ago, modboy said: how’s the new barrack doing these days? Used to love in back in early 2000s whilst living in Hillsborough, especially the chip buttys It seems to do ok on matchdays, no chip butties tho', stopped doing food years ago. It's expensive compared to other pubs in the area and they don't keep their beer as well as they used to. I was in there pre-match against Hull on New Years Day and was drinking a beer from a Sheffield brewery. I went somewhere else after the game; same beer was £0.70 a pint cheaper than Barracks were charging and tasted fresher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzaroteowl Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, @owlstalk said: They need to offer food first and foremost Also regular new reasons to visit (special nights, good entertainment, sports teams, food nights, movie nights etc) and most importantly need to learn how to market themselves (social media, YouTube, podcasts etc) as I don’t know of a single pub that does this right also be nicer places to be - eg when you walk In don’t have signs up saying ‘toilets for our customers only’ and don’t have signs in the pub toilets warning about ‘don’t do drugs in this pub or we will call the cops’ etc sell coffees of all types and even smoothies as people want healthier things these days This is correct My local when back in Sheffield the Crown and Cushion Chap, though bloomin expensive does this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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