doubleo Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 11 hours ago, Ian said: Easy…if people won’t comply and in effect don’t trust the NHS then as they keep banging on, they have a right of choice So let’s go with that….the anti Vaxers don’t trust the NHS…..log em out then……doctors, dentists, a&e the lot…….you don’t trust the NHS so when you’ve been run over by a bus make sure people know to ring for a private ambulance and take you to private healthcare somewhere I’m with you on this but you know there isn’t a politician with the b@lls to do it. I’m just waiting for the anti vaccine, anti COVID passport crews to start rioting - I think this weekend is likely as the weather’s not going to be too cold for the precious little darlings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 The anti-restriction fools think that because Omicron MIGHT be milder we can just carry on. What is it…”stop hiding behind the sofa”? Whats your brilliant plan when weve a massive shortage on doctors, dentists, nurses, care-workers, drivers, refuge collectors, shop-workers, police, firemen, distribution workers…etc etc etc ……...over and after Christmas? 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniele Giovanni Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 8 hours ago, Tommy Crawshaw said: I think another period of no fans will kill a lot of clubs off. A lot have not recovered from the last lockdown financially. A repeat will be the final nail for some clubs. Saving lives is more important surely 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 12 hours ago, Ian said: Easy…if people won’t comply and in effect don’t trust the NHS then as they keep banging on, they have a right of choice So let’s go with that….the anti Vaxers don’t trust the NHS…..log em out then……doctors, dentists, a&e the lot…….you don’t trust the NHS so when you’ve been run over by a bus make sure people know to ring for a private ambulance and take you to private healthcare somewhere I take your point but what about people who smoke, drink to excess or don't take enough exercise? These people are also not following NHS advice, should they also be denied NHS treatment? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwë Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 38 minutes ago, Holmowl said: The anti-restriction fools think that because Omicron MIGHT be milder we can just carry on. What is it…”stop hiding behind the sofa”? Whats your brilliant plan when weve a massive shortage on doctors, dentists, nurses, care-workers, drivers, refuge collectors, shop-workers, police, firemen, distribution workers…etc etc etc ……...over and after Christmas? To not attend a venue with 20000 others? A passport isn't going to stop transmission, and anyone attending the games over Christmas is against the NHS. We know how bad Covid is, we know what the daily rates are and how they are growing despite their vaccine status. Anyone attending the games must surely be among the most selfish people on the planet, unless of course they believe an app will stop transmission. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aingarth Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 10 hours ago, LondonOwl313 said: What’s the hard data though.. last year before the vaccination programme they were saying that 7% of over 70s had issues, so 93% chance they’d be fine. And then as you drop down the age groups it gets less and less. Post vaccination I’d assume this is way lower otherwise what was the point of it all. There will always be new variants of this virus, it’s how viruses work. So if we end up locked down which is what a lot of people seem to want, then that’s going to be what happens continuously. Its quite simple really.. if someone is scared of the virus despite having 3 jabs then they can choose to stay home, don’t have any social contact and do all their shopping online etc. That way they’re not catching it. The rest of us can just get on with our lives then. The response to your comment is simple. I know 12 people who died from COVID and 2 others whose health is permanently compromised. I am prepared to miss things and make sacrifices to protect family, friends and neighbours including wearing a mask which protects YOU not me. With 79,000 new cases yesterday, if only a very small percentage get it badly, it will quickly overwhelm the NHS affecting everyone should you have an accident or be waiting for treatment. It is not just about me, me, me. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Holmowl said: Why are you posting dangerous sheite mate? ONS latest data:- Scotland 1 in 80 England 1 in 60 A month ago it was even more pronounced. I’ll listen to the world’s experts, not you. Whilst not agreeing with everything. The mask point is valid. I'm ex forces, and spent a decade in the chemical industry... The standard face masks arnt much more than a placebo. The only way your going to stop tge spread of covid through masks. Is for everyone to be clean shaven all the time and by everyone having a face fit full mask and being trained how to use them swapping filters, so they don't get saturated.. If you cough or sneeze in a normal routine lastic strap m2-m5 mask it just blows out of the sides, while it does decrease the consmcentraion, it increases the area spread.. H. E. P. A filters are the way to go. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Ian said: Generally speaking the people you describe are only damaging theirselves and aren’t selfish cvvvnts who are responsible for killing others But that wasn’t the point you were making. You said they shouldn’t get treatment because it was their choice. So now the vaccines are shown to be as low as 20 percent effective against the new strain, does that make them “ selfish c@nts” if they go out? I’m just trying to follow the logic of your argument here. And I think if you look drug addicts and drunks regularly do damage to other people not just themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
behindthegoal Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Postpone all games for the immediate future. It is just a messy situation, a shift in government direction is needed. Alternatively behind closed doors 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, shezzas left peg said: Whilst not agreeing with everything. The mask point is valid. I'm ex forces, and spent a decade in the chemical industry... The standard face masks arnt much more than a placebo. The only way your going to stop tge spread of covid through masks. Is for everyone to be clean shaven all the time and by everyone having a face fit full mask and being trained how to use them swapping filters, so they don't get saturated.. If you cough or sneeze in a normal routine lastic strap m2-m5 mask it just blows out of the sides, while it does decrease the consmcentraion, it increases the area spread.. H. E. P. A filters are the way to go. But in the absence of perfection… 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Can tell it's a modern virus of foreign origin: games have been off in the Prem and Championship, but it's obviously not interested in LG1 or 2. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Should also be pointed out that our manager nearly died of this bloody thing, so people being all blasé about it might want to take a step back. Yes, for a large percentage of the population, COVID will present itself as feeling a bit sh*t for a week or so, but that's not the case for everyone. There are people on here who have posted about their experiences with the thing. Some who have ended up in hospital - even after receiving two doses of the vaccine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Understand why tomorrow games been called off and if after that games are behind closed doors. Probably would be for the best. But I really hope the club is a bit better at doing the refunds this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said: Understand why tomorrow games been called off and if after that games are behind closed doors. Probably would be for the best. But I really hope the club is a bit better at doing the refunds this time around. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReginaldD Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 18 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Good luck to anyone who just handed over hundreds of pounds to renew a season ticket that they can’t use till next summer, by renewing it just four months into the current one - good luck on your refund applications Some are still waiting from 2019 for theirs Makes me wonder if might not necessarily be a cash flow issue why DC launched the renewal early. Though he did so with the possibility we'd be behind closed doors again and people then being hesitant to renew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Think todays news also means the boxing day game is 90% certain to be off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniele Giovanni Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 7 hours ago, jonnyowl said: I dont think Boris has the support from within his own party to impose more restrictions, think they'd kick him out if he tried! Then kick out the ones who kicked him out too, rather my local kindergarten run the country 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unkastav Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Holmowl said: The anti-restriction fools think that because Omicron MIGHT be milder we can just carry on. What is it…”stop hiding behind the sofa”? Whats your brilliant plan when weve a massive shortage on doctors, dentists, nurses, care-workers, drivers, refuge collectors, shop-workers, police, firemen, distribution workers…etc etc etc ……...over and after Christmas? You missed off essential workers such as Wetherspoons and Beres 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unkastav Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, SiJ said: And thats funny how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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