“The players aren’t good enough”

[@owlstalk]

Just now, SallyCinnamon said:

 But with the right management this side is comfortably mid table 

I disagree with you

I think we have assembled an incredibly poor squad that will go down in history as the weakest we have ever assembled for a Championship season

 

Honestly - not being dramatic - I dont see anything other than a drop to the first division this season

[LoOn]

4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

I'm not

You've got blue and white striped specs on

 

This squad isn't good enough

 

 

I agree it’s completely unbalanced but add to that dreadful tactics and playing people out of their natural positions compounds this and increases the chances of mistakes

[jonnyowl]

I think our first 11 is good enough, if we had a manager that could get them organised and install some sort of game plan.

 

But 2 or 3 injuries and those that come in are nowhere near good enough.

 

And the players that were deemed not good ebough last season would walk into this side as it currently is.

 

[Striggy]

19 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

While ability wise we are certainly not what we were 2/3 seasons ago. I don’t agree with this argument. I look at other Championship clubs and I think this group of players is mid-table and with the right management could push for the top half. Since Christmas under Monk we’ve shown relegation form. A truly shocking run of games and performances, which as Garry would say, compounds the absolute misery of supporting us at the moment.
 

I’m a firm believer of good management gets the best out of average players. We’ve seen it numerous times at this level. Wilder with them lot. Alex Neil always does a very solid job at Preston with very little investment. Stuart Gray at Wednesday had no money and signed some quality free transfers at the time. He had us organised and solid. I’d also point to sides like Luton and Millwall at this level, who have had significant less investment than us, they always manage to make themselves hard to beat and a challenge for most teams at this level. Us on the other hand under Monk have looked weak, vulnerable, no attacking threat and ALWAYS look like conceding and make howlers. Which for me shows poor management. Individual mistakes is often a result of players feeling nervous, not sure what their role in the side is and spending too much concentrating on what they think they need to do, rather than playing their natural game.

What I’m seeing is a group of average footballers being asked to play a complicated formation they aren’t comfortable. Not playing to their strengths which highlights their limitations quite glaringly. 
 

I believe we do have quality. And even with players injured like Iorfa, Luongo and Brown, we should be able to set ourselves up and be resilient enough to put up a fight against sides like Luton and Rotherham.

 

The players aren’t the problem at Sheffield Wednesday. It’s the manager. 

 

 Agree with most, but the players take much of the blame for me.  Last night the players were not good enough at the basics.  Monk is not delivering but cannot blame him for JVA's foot high tackle at the weekend, or the diabolical sequence of play that led to the first 2 goals and the sending off last night.  That's down to the players involved.

[Manwë]

The players are good enough for lower-mid table division 2 football, and that's where we'd be right now.   

 

It may well be, that it'll be the 12 points that sends us down.

[gurujuan]

We don’t have one forward of championship quality, that’s a big problem

[SallyCinnamon]

Just now, FreshOwl said:

This group of players are good enough to stop up, 100% 

 

Flint and Lees as a pair just being told to head it, kick it and defend. Would be hard to get past. They must have over 600 apps at this level between them if not more. 

 

Bannan is one of the best players in the league.

 

Reach was on fire under Jos and Bruce until Monk came in and ruined him.

 

Palmer is a steady and good enough pro at this level with plenty of experience. 
 

Striker wise Paterson and Marriott out of favour at their previous sides, but have been part of very good sides at this level scoring goals regularly. Again the right management would get the best out of them. I’d even argue that case for Rhodes.

 

[billyblack]

3 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

We don’t have one forward of championship quality, that’s a big problem

The bigger problem for me is that we knew there was risk of 90% of our forwards from last season being here and we had no plan to replenish them

 

This is the problem with the whole club

[alanharper]

11 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

I disagree with you

I think we have assembled an incredibly poor squad that will go down in history as the weakest we have ever assembled for a Championship season

 

Honestly - not being dramatic - I dont see anything other than a drop to the first division this season

 

Nonsense (apart from the final paragraph).

 

The team isn't terrible, but it's being utilised terribly. Bannan, Reach, Luongo, Iorfa, Lees, Palmer  Harris - these are decent footballers  but they're being forced to play a diabolical hoofball "system" and in some cases are shoehorned into positions to fit the system and not the player's strengths.

 

Do you honestly think the above players and the current squad are anywhere near as bad as 2003 and players like Crane, Hendon, Harkness, Westwood, McLaren etc. ? 

 

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Edited October 29, 2020 by alanharper

[Dutch McLovin]

26 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

While ability wise we are certainly not what we were 2/3 seasons ago. I don’t agree with this argument. I look at other Championship clubs and I think this group of players is mid-table and with the right management could push for the top half. Since Christmas under Monk we’ve shown relegation form. A truly shocking run of games and performances, which as Garry would say, compounds the absolute misery of supporting us at the moment.
 

I’m a firm believer of good management gets the best out of average players. We’ve seen it numerous times at this level. Wilder with them lot. Alex Neil always does a very solid job at Preston with very little investment. Stuart Gray at Wednesday had no money and signed some quality free transfers at the time. He had us organised and solid. I’d also point to sides like Luton and Millwall at this level, who have had significant less investment than us, they always manage to make themselves hard to beat and a challenge for most teams at this level. Us on the other hand under Monk have looked weak, vulnerable, no attacking threat and ALWAYS look like conceding and make howlers. Which for me shows poor management. Individual mistakes is often a result of players feeling nervous, not sure what their role in the side is and spending too much concentrating on what they think they need to do, rather than playing their natural game.

What I’m seeing is a group of average footballers being asked to play a complicated formation they aren’t comfortable. Not playing to their strengths which highlights their limitations quite glaringly. 
 

I believe we do have quality. And even with players injured like Iorfa, Luongo and Brown, we should be able to set ourselves up and be resilient enough to put up a fight against sides like Luton and Rotherham.

 

The players aren’t the problem at Sheffield Wednesday. It’s the manager. 

 

I agree with most of that. However, the players are not good enough. Pelupessy was retained... why ?? Nuhiu who was slated on here was a better target man than Petterson who isnt really a striker. Dawson who was always going to have a hard task replacing Westwood especially while he was here keeps cracking under pressure, yet Wildsmith sits there not getting a game or going out on loan. The youngsters again are not playing in the first team, not playing at under 23 level and are not out on load so going stale. Dele-Bashuri looks as if he has potential but isnt ready for the first team. Borner looks a shadow of the player he was, Palmer after his brief upturn in form is back to league one standard and one of our better players is now Odubajo but fans cant forgive him for the mare he had last season.

 

The manager is not good enough. A better manager would get a tune out of these players yes but they are poor players so 4th bottom with this lot would be like winning the league.

[pat blondeau]

Iorfa is the only player in our squad with any transfer value now.

 

The rest is a mix of free transfers, loans and aging/underperforming players that are out of contract at the end of the season

[Steve Down South]

20 minutes ago, Owlinmad said:

We haven't got any specialised wingbacks so why try to play a system that needs them ?

1) I’m not really convinced there is any such thing as a specialist wing back.

 

2) I would say we have more players suited to playing wing back than we do to playing full back.  We don’t have a proper left back and given the choice I wouldn’t start Palmer.

3) If we revert to 442 then who can we play as a central pair without conceding the midfield in most games?

 

4) Any system needs decent players, but we don’t have enough of those.

[Guest hk_owl]

9 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

I think we have assembled an incredibly poor squad that will go down in history as the weakest we have ever assembled for a Championship season

By “we”, do you mean Monk?

 

 

[@owlstalk]

Just now, hk_owl said:

By “we”, do you mean Monk?

 

 

 

 

No mate - or I'd have said Monk

[Dutch McLovin]

3 minutes ago, Steve Down South said:

1) I’m not really convinced there is any such thing as a specialist wing back.

 

2) I would say we have more players suited to playing wing back than we do to playing full back.  We don’t have a proper left back and given the choice I wouldn’t start Palmer.

3) If we revert to 442 then who can we play as a central pair without conceding the midfield in most games?

 

4) Any system needs decent players, but we don’t have enough of those.

1 - agree

 

2 - Matt Penney given a run will be a good championship left back IMO We shouldnt play Palmer.

 

3 - This is a issue, with Bannan in a midfield two we lose out. Luongo and AN other, could Brown play in a 2 ??

 

4 - Spot on. They have all been ousted by Monk. We were led to believe they were over paid bad eggs, maybe just maybe they saw the ineptitude in our manager

[Steve Down South]

3 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said:

1 - agree

 

2 - Matt Penney given a run will be a good championship left back IMO We shouldnt play Palmer.

 

3 - This is a issue, with Bannan in a midfield two we lose out. Luongo and AN other, could Brown play in a 2 ??

 

4 - Spot on. They have all been ousted by Monk. We were led to believe they were over paid bad eggs, maybe just maybe they saw the ineptitude in our manager

Hope you’re right about Penney as full back, see no reason why he couldn’t compete with a Reach for LWB if we were to stick with a 352.

[Guest hk_owl]

We keep going to the fridge, looking at the shelves for a bit and then ordering takeaway. Wondering why we’re fat and skint...

We need our best 11 players on the training ground, and we need a simple system they can play... I’d have a crack at 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 for starters. Then I’d put my arm around a few of our lads and tell ‘em that they can be a Wednesday hero.

[full fathom five]

41 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

I'm not

You've got blue and white striped specs on

 

This squad isn't good enough

 

 

Not what you were saying in the first few weeks of the season.

Now just another excuse to cover for Monk's deficiencies as a manager that the majority of us have trying to warn you Monk fans about but you simply wouldn't have it.

[@owlstalk]

Just now, full fathom five said:

Not what you were saying in the first few weeks of the season.

Now just another excuse to cover for Monk's deficiencies as a manager that the majority of us have trying to warn you Monk fans about but you simply wouldn't have it.

 

 

Calm yourself down and have a cup of tea darling x

[S36 OWL]

40 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

I disagree with you

I think we have assembled an incredibly poor squad that will go down in history as the weakest we have ever assembled for a Championship season

 

Honestly - not being dramatic - I dont see anything other than a drop to the first division this season

 

This squad will struggle big time in league one mate.