“The players aren’t good enough”

[0114]

There is enough in that squad to be winning more than 1 in 16 at home. 
 

There is enough in that squad to be winning more than 6 in 31. 
 

We have some very good CB’s in Iorfa, Flint and Lees. 
 

We have 2 good CM in Luongo and Bannan. 
 

Adam Reach has proven he can deliver at this level as a wide player. Not a wing back, cm or a striker. 
 

Marriott was a £5m striker 2 years ago. Fired Derby to the play offs just over 12 months ago. 
 

Jordan Rhodes is on the verge of becoming The Championships all time leading goal scorer. 
 

We look weak at GK and LB. But I’m more than comfortable in Palmer being a left back in a back 4. He got into the Scotland side based on how well he played LB under Bruce. 
 

As for GK, Dawson and Wildsmith aren’t good enough. I back Monk on his stance on Westwood as I don’t think twice is a coincidence but a new manager may end up playing him. Either that or we are going to have to offer Lee Camp a deal. 

 

 

[Chriss]

Still pissed off that we signed Chey Dunkley. 

[NorthernOwl]

1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

 

The players aren't good enough

 

We've just been completely outplayed by Rotherham and Luton.

 

Do you really think their squads are better than ours on a player by player basis?

[NorthernOwl]

52 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

I disagree with you

I think we have assembled an incredibly poor squad that will go down in history as the weakest we have ever assembled for a Championship season

 

Honestly - not being dramatic - I dont see anything other than a drop to the first division this season

 

What's changed your mind over the last couple of weeks? You were talking about how good many of this season's signings were when they joined.

[Owlinmad]

34 minutes ago, Steve Down South said:

1) I’m not really convinced there is any such thing as a specialist wing back.

 

2) I would say we have more players suited to playing wing back than we do to playing full back.  We don’t have a proper left back and given the choice I wouldn’t start Palmer.

3) If we revert to 442 then who can we play as a central pair without conceding the midfield in most games?

 

4) Any system needs decent players, but we don’t have enough of those.

Specialist wing back is one of the most scouted positions in world football at the moment.

[Avon barksdale]

Fair enough it’s an average squad but they are allowed to over perform there’s numerous examples of players and squads over performing. Name one player of ours that’s doing that at the moment ? Yes the players should responsibility but ultimately the manager is to blame. 

[sexpistol]

1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

 

The players aren't good enough

Do you think the manager is?

 

[NorthernOwl]

It's all well and good saying the squad isn't good enough but we've just been outclassed by both Rotherham and Luton who are hardly known for having squads packed with talented individuals.

 

There really is no excuse for not being able to compete with them. 

 

If we are being outclassed by Watfird or Bournemouth that's one thing but we should be able to match bottom of the table clubs with tiny budgets.

[sexpistol]

15 minutes ago, 0114 said:

There is enough in that squad to be winning more than 1 in 16 at home. 
 

There is enough in that squad to be winning more than 6 in 31. 
 

We have some very good CB’s in Iorfa, Flint and Lees. 
 

We have 2 good CM in Luongo and Bannan. 
 

Adam Reach has proven he can deliver at this level as a wide player. Not a wing back, cm or a striker. 
 

Marriott was a £5m striker 2 years ago. Fired Derby to the play offs just over 12 months ago. 
 

Jordan Rhodes is on the verge of becoming The Championships all time leading goal scorer. 
 

We look weak at GK and LB. But I’m more than comfortable in Palmer being a left back in a back 4. He got into the Scotland side based on how well he played LB under Bruce. 
 

As for GK, Dawson and Wildsmith aren’t good enough. I back Monk on his stance on Westwood as I don’t think twice is a coincidence but a new manager may end up playing him. Either that or we are going to have to offer Lee Camp a deal. 

 

 

If everybody is fit and we play our best 11 we have a decentish side. I agree that Dawson and Wildsmith are not good enough and we don’t know our best striking options. I would play Windass plus 1 other ( who that is I’ve no idea, at a push probably Paterson)

[@owlstalk]

16 minutes ago, NorthernOwl said:

 

What's changed your mind over the last couple of weeks? You were talking about how good many of this season's signings were when they joined.

 

 

 

I fell for the hype from the local press and my peers (you guys) on here

I'm not too ashamed or egotistical to pretend it's anything other than that

 

Our squad isn't good enough

[@owlstalk]

6 minutes ago, NorthernOwl said:

It's all well and good saying the squad isn't good enough but we've just been outclassed by both Rotherham and Luton who are hardly known for having squads packed with talented individuals.

 

There really is no excuse for not being able to compete with them. 

 

If we are being outclassed by Watfird or Bournemouth that's one thing but we should be able to match bottom of the table clubs with tiny budgets.

 

 

We just signed a player with a double leg break, who's not played a single game since then, and who somehow passed a medical here to sign when he had metal pins in his leg holding it together

 

WTF

 

[NorthernOwl]

7 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

 

I fell for the hype from the local press and my peers (you guys) on here

I'm not too ashamed or egotistical to pretend it's anything other than that

 

Our squad isn't good enough

 

Good post, everyone is entitled to change their mind.

[Dutch McLovin]

52 minutes ago, Steve Down South said:

Hope you’re right about Penney as full back, see no reason why he couldn’t compete with a Reach for LWB if we were to stick with a 352.

Latest on Monk's list him pal... wont play for the club again while the anchor is in charge 

[NorthernOwl]

8 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

We just signed a player with a double leg break, who's not played a single game since then, and who somehow passed a medical here to sign when he had metal pins in his leg holding it together

 

WTF

 

 

That aside surely our players aren't so bad that they are simply outclassed by Rotherham and Luton players?

[Steve Down South]

34 minutes ago, Owlinmad said:

Specialist wing back is one of the most scouted positions in world football at the moment.

I never knew that - where do you get information like that from?  I still tend to think of wing backs as attacking full backs or wingers who can defend a bit when required.

[Owlinmad]

19 minutes ago, Steve Down South said:

I never knew that - where do you get information like that from?  I still tend to think of wing backs as attacking full backs or wingers who can defend a bit when required.

I have a friend who is a freelance scout who does a lot of work for Arsenal and other Southern clubs.

[markg]

I think it is an awful squad and we are in danger of over-rating it again. Not many would get in the majority of other mid-table to higher placed teams. We should be doing better than what we are though

[Carbone]

2 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said:

While ability wise we are certainly not what we were 2/3 seasons ago. I don’t agree with this argument. I look at other Championship clubs and I think this group of players is mid-table and with the right management could push for the top half. Since Christmas under Monk we’ve shown relegation form. A truly shocking run of games and performances, which as Garry would say, compounds the absolute misery of supporting us at the moment.
 

I’m a firm believer of good management gets the best out of average players. We’ve seen it numerous times at this level. Wilder with them lot. Alex Neil always does a very solid job at Preston with very little investment. Stuart Gray at Wednesday had no money and signed some quality free transfers at the time. He had us organised and solid. I’d also point to sides like Luton and Millwall at this level, who have had significant less investment than us, they always manage to make themselves hard to beat and a challenge for most teams at this level. Us on the other hand under Monk have looked weak, vulnerable, no attacking threat and ALWAYS look like conceding and make howlers. Which for me shows poor management. Individual mistakes is often a result of players feeling nervous, not sure what their role in the side is and spending too much concentrating on what they think they need to do, rather than playing their natural game.

What I’m seeing is a group of average footballers being asked to play a complicated formation they aren’t comfortable. Not playing to their strengths which highlights their limitations quite glaringly. 
 

I believe we do have quality. And even with players injured like Iorfa, Luongo and Brown, we should be able to set ourselves up and be resilient enough to put up a fight against sides like Luton and Rotherham.

 

The players aren’t the problem at Sheffield Wednesday. It’s the manager. 

 

 

Looking at teams who have finished in the top half in the past few seasons, they've been within 6-15 points from the playoffs, often meaning a good run would get you in there.

If anyone seriously think that this is a squad that is capable of that, you are deluded.

 

I mean that in the nicest way possible because I usually like your posts!

[83owl]

Our first 11 is a mid table team. Our squad as a whole is very poor though and only good enough to scrape above the relegation zone. Add to this that many of our first 11 are injury prone means we will see the squad players play more and more this season who arent good enough (thats before you even get into the tactics, selection etc)

[Owl Be Back]

This is not a mid-table Championship squad, it really isn't, there's no depth to it and even a fully fit first team is woefully short on quality in some very key departments - keeper and strikers to name but two. I said that we wouldn't get out of the bottom 3 before recruitment started, once we saw who was brought in I maintained that view, and now I still do. To avoid the drop with a 12 point penalty you'd need a strong mid-table squad. We're not anywhere near having that.