The 352 System

[Guest domSWFC]

Do you think this suits us? With our current crop of players is there a better suited system? 

 

352 relies heavily on the wing backs. They are your width in attack, and your only cover on the wing in defence. They are the most important players in the system, they have to be quality. Yet we don't have any proven quality there. Harris, Penney, Odubajo and Reach are options but is that their natural position? I'd say not. 

 

The forward 2, what's the dynamic we are after?

 

Kachunga alongside Rhodes, making the runs to provide him with cut backs? But then where does Windass fit? 

 

Do we need a target man to make the ball stick, if so who plays alongside them? 

 

Lots of questions, and the season starts in 2 days. How confident are you? 

[Pressman 1]

well its the way monk wants us to line up so id say something like 

 wildsmith 

 iorfa dunkley borner 

palmer      bannan  luongo  harris 

             brown 

       windass 

                  kachunga 

[Box_Man]

                              Dawson

 

              Iorfa             Dunkley       Borner

 

Harris           Luongo           Bannan          Reach

 

                               Brown

 

               Windass             Katchunga

              

Think the side picks itself, happy with the 3-4-1-2 formation.

 

I would try Harris in place of Murphy on the right and put Reach on the other side for a few games 

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

I'd say the 3-5-2 is an extremely versatile formation that modifies itself throughout the course of a game forming a stout defense and a powerful offense.

 

The keys to a successful 3-5-2 formation are a dominant and cohesive trio of centerbacks, versatile players to play on the outside of the midfield, and a pair of dynamic strikers. The best professional example of a team that uses the 3-5-2 is Juventus, one of the top Italian teams in Europe.

 

Communication between the three Center Backs is essential. In most cases the three central defenders need to move as a unit. The trio must be aware of how much space is between them and they must maintain a linear shape to prevent attackers from making runs behind them. However in counter attacking situations if an opposing attacker cuts inside the closest Center Back must quickly realize this and pressure the ball while the other two cover the space behind him.

 

In addition to traditional skill sets required from central defenders in four at the back formations, such as phenomenal positional awareness, strong tackling, and the ability to win the ball in the air, Center Backs in a 3-5-2 formation require more speed. They need more speed because there are not traditional Left and Right Backs to match up with opposing teams pacey wing players.

The three Center Back strategy that the 3-5-2 utilizes is particularly successful against teams that play a formation with two Strikers, such as the 4-4-2. Reason being the two opposing forwards are now going head to head with an additional Center Back.

 

Many forwards are not accustomed to this because most teams play a formation that only features two central defenders. On the other hand, when a team plays with only one Striker, the three central defenders can find themselves all marking the same man.

The outside midfielders in a 3-5-2 formation are another key component to the formation. Instead of being referred to as Left and Right Midfielders the players on the outside of the 5-player midfield are categorized as the Left and Right Wingback, or LWB and RWB. In a 3-5-2 these players serve as a hybrid between the traditional Fullbacks and outside midfielders. When their team has possession the Wingbacks take up the responsibilities of an outside midfielder and when their team is defending they drop in line with the central defenders.

 

Because of  the constant and fluid transition that Wingbacks make the 3-5-2 essentially becomes a 5-3-2 while in defense. The Wingbacks join the centerbacks to form a singular back line and the CAM drops further into the midfield. From there, the CAM and the remaining two central midfielders move from across the field in unison to pressure the ball and protect the backline.

Because the Wingbacks are tasked with the duties of two separate positions they must be extremely versatile and fit. In addition to their defensive duties, Wingbacks often push as far up the field as the team's forwards in order provide width, support, and deliver crosses. The Wingback position in a 3-5-2 formation is often occupied by either a Fullback who has superior ball control and passing or an outside midfielder who can contribute on the defensive end of the field.

 

The two strikers in the 3-5-2 formation serve as the team’s primary goal scoring threats. They combine with each other and central midfielders, mainly the CAM, to pick apart the oppositions defense. The two strikers should also be looking to receive through balls by make runs behind the opposition’s back line.  It’s always a positive  to have at least one of these two players possess the ability to play as a target man. Meaning he has the size and strength to win crosses and long balls while holding off defenders. This allows the Wingbacks,  the three man central midfield, and the other Striker to join the attack and make themselves available to receive the ball.  

 

Well, that's what this website told me, anyway: https://youth1.com/soccer/fundamental-tactics-3-5-2-formation

 

[royalowlisback]

That's not form Carlos's book is it.  ^^^^^^^^

[Inspector Lestrade]

1 minute ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

I'd say the 3-5-2 is an extremely versatile formation that modifies itself throughout the course of a game forming a stout defense and a powerful offense.

 

The keys to a successful 3-5-2 formation are a dominant and cohesive trio of centerbacks, versatile players to play on the outside of the midfield, and a pair of dynamic strikers. The best professional example of a team that uses the 3-5-2 is Juventus, one of the top Italian teams in Europe.

 

Communication between the three Center Backs is essential. In most cases the three central defenders need to move as a unit. The trio must be aware of how much space is between them and they must maintain a linear shape to prevent attackers from making runs behind them. However in counter attacking situations if an opposing attacker cuts inside the closest Center Back must quickly realize this and pressure the ball while the other two cover the space behind him.

 

In addition to traditional skill sets required from central defenders in four at the back formations, such as phenomenal positional awareness, strong tackling, and the ability to win the ball in the air, Center Backs in a 3-5-2 formation require more speed. They need more speed because there are not traditional Left and Right Backs to match up with opposing teams pacey wing players.

The three Center Back strategy that the 3-5-2 utilizes is particularly successful against teams that play a formation with two Strikers, such as the 4-4-2. Reason being the two opposing forwards are now going head to head with an additional Center Back.

 

Many forwards are not accustomed to this because most teams play a formation that only features two central defenders. On the other hand, when a team plays with only one Striker, the three central defenders can find themselves all marking the same man.

The outside midfielders in a 3-5-2 formation are another key component to the formation. Instead of being referred to as Left and Right Midfielders the players on the outside of the 5-player midfield are categorized as the Left and Right Wingback, or LWB and RWB. In a 3-5-2 these players serve as a hybrid between the traditional Fullbacks and outside midfielders. When their team has possession the Wingbacks take up the responsibilities of an outside midfielder and when their team is defending they drop in line with the central defenders.

 

Because of  the constant and fluid transition that Wingbacks make the 3-5-2 essentially becomes a 5-3-2 while in defense. The Wingbacks join the centerbacks to form a singular back line and the CAM drops further into the midfield. From there, the CAM and the remaining two central midfielders move from across the field in unison to pressure the ball and protect the backline.

Because the Wingbacks are tasked with the duties of two separate positions they must be extremely versatile and fit. In addition to their defensive duties, Wingbacks often push as far up the field as the team's forwards in order provide width, support, and deliver crosses. The Wingback position in a 3-5-2 formation is often occupied by either a Fullback who has superior ball control and passing or an outside midfielder who can contribute on the defensive end of the field.

 

The two strikers in the 3-5-2 formation serve as the team’s primary goal scoring threats. They combine with each other and central midfielders, mainly the CAM, to pick apart the oppositions defense. The two strikers should also be looking to receive through balls by make runs behind the opposition’s back line.  It’s always a positive  to have at least one of these two players possess the ability to play as a target man. Meaning he has the size and strength to win crosses and long balls while holding off defenders. This allows the Wingbacks,  the three man central midfield, and the other Striker to join the attack and make themselves available to receive the ball.  

 

Well, that's what this website told me, anyway: https://youth1.com/soccer/fundamental-tactics-3-5-2-formation

 

 

Nailed it

[heppers]

Invert the pyramid 

[royalowlisback]

The players we have so far, simply don't suit the system.

[Nero]

32 minutes ago, domSWFC said:

Do you think this suits us? With our current crop of players is there a better suited system? 

 

352 relies heavily on the wing backs. They are your width in attack, and your only cover on the wing in defence. They are the most important players in the system, they have to be quality. Yet we don't have any proven quality there. Harris, Penney, Odubajo and Reach are options but is that their natural position? I'd say not. 

 

The forward 2, what's the dynamic we are after?

 

Kachunga alongside Rhodes, making the runs to provide him with cut backs? But then where does Windass fit? 

 

Do we need a target man to make the ball stick, if so who plays alongside them? 

 

Lots of questions, and the season starts in 2 days. How confident are you? 

 

I dont know if i watch a different game but formations seem like a secondary thing tactically these days.

 

The main tactics are how effectively and where we press and how we break out of a press, pass our way or or hoof it.

 

This and how quickly we get the ball forward when we win it without the opposition setting their defence, the transition, generally dictate how teams play today.

 

 

 

[mancowl08]

37 minutes ago, Box_Man said:

                              Dawson

 

              Iorfa             Dunkley       Borner

 

Harris           Luongo           Bannan          Reach

 

                               Brown

 

               Windass             Katchunga

              

Think the side picks itself, happy with the 3-4-1-2 formation.

 

I would try Harris in place of Murphy on the right and put Reach on the other side for a few games 

The side I'd pick wouldn't have Reach in it, and I'd personally go for Wildsmith.

[Manwë]

26 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

The keys to a successful 3-5-2 formation are a dominant and cohesive trio of centerbacks, versatile players to play on the outside of the midfield, and a pair of dynamic strikers

 

We'll have the league done and dusted by November.

[jomaco]

Yeah, at the moment Wildsmith for me, but reckon both will get their opportunities instead of saying who is #1

 

I'd like to see Odubajo given some more game time, but not in a defensive role - for me he looks good going forward

 

[jomaco]

maybe:

 

 

                     Wildsmith

 

    Palmer(/Borner) Iorfa Dunkley(/Borner)

 

 Odubajo bannan           luongo Katchunga

                           brown 

         

                                     Windass

                           Rhodes

 

 

with harris/reach fighting for those two wide spots also

if it formats right.....

 

                

[kristmace]

24 minutes ago, mancowl08 said:

The side I'd pick wouldn't have Reach in it, and I'd personally go for Wildsmith.

 

Not sure Wildsmith is the best choice at wing back. 

[gurujuan]

A bit of a mess innit. We need a left back to field a proper back four, or we need wing backs if it’s a back three. The midfield three is pretty much sorted, not withstanding upgrades, but up front, it’s anybody’s guess. There is no focal point to the attack, Rhodes would need to play off someone in a pair. The other two, Windass and Kachunga are not strikers, and also don’t really suit a 3-5-2

[Pastor Kidneys]

I think there are signs of Odubajo settling into the WB role ... I think he'll have a good season.

 

He's a much better attacker than Palmer.

 

Just tell him to steer clear of our box 

[gurujuan]

1 minute ago, erowl said:

I think there are signs of Odubajo settling into the WB role ... I think he'll have a good season.

 

He's a much better attacker than Palmer.

 

Just tell him to steer clear of our box 

I’m pretty certain Palmer will get the gig

[S72 Owl]

Odubajo and Penney could potentially be very good wing backs for us. Both decent on the ball too. 

 

Harris can do a job there too and I’m still hoping Reach can. 

[Jim]

I think 4-2-3-1 would suit us better TBH. Too much reliance on the wing-backs to

provide the service in a 3-5-2 and our options currently aren’t up to much?

[Jim]

59 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

I’m pretty certain Palmer will get the gig

 

That’s what worries me. One of the worst attacking players we have in one of the most important roles in this system?