HarrowbyOwl Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Ferkorf said: Hope they are doing the same to the other clubs who sell stadiums to the owners for profit The EFL rule change in 2016 made it possible for owners to do that. It’s not what we have done that is wrong but how we did it - allegedly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighworthOwl Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 In our defence in the absence of a points deduction we are trying to give 3 points to every team below us in the league. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzaroteowl Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ever the pessimist said: If we get a deduction and go down as a result (therefore directly DC's fault) what is he likely to do? Get out when he can and take a huge financial hit (unlikely), sell ground to claim a bit back (not many would want to buy anyway as it's unlikely to get planning permission to build on), keep club but wash his hands of it so left to wither and die? Charge us rent on the ground? Really fear a Coventry type scenario myself. Keep faith with the club. Now £2 million in profit. Clean slate to start over. New beginnings. We've been there before. Nowt to slit our wrists about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 If we get points deducted, does it reset our ffp to 0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standidno Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Gonna put it out there and say this is way more serious than we all think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat blondeau Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Just now, lanzaroteowl said: Keep faith with the club. Now £2 million in profit. Clean slate to start over. New beginnings. We've been there before. Nowt to slit our wrists about. When have we been charged by the league before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrowbyOwl Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, fudge27 said: If we get points deducted, does it reset our ffp to 0? Nope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat blondeau Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, fudge27 said: If we get points deducted, does it reset our ffp to 0? Doesn’t look like it based on Birmingham https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-face-second-points-17524484 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzaroteowl Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Just now, nilsson said: When have we been charged by the league before? Not that But in the 1st division. Same place Blunts were in a mere 2 and a half seasons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) I’d amazed to if the EFL hit us with a deduction that effectively relegates us. They gave Birmingham a points deduction that effectively meant f**k all in the grand scheme of things last season My guess is between 9 and 12 and a big fine or ban for Chansiri Edited February 14, 2020 by Stoop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 There is nothing quite like having a well run club with plans for the future. I would love to know if DC and the club have a plan set out should we get a point deduction and it is not just Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lomas613 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, RichieB said: "Wednesday were charged by the EFL in November and will face the disciplinary commission before the conclusion of the current season." I've heard we wont get a points deduction because chansiri has some dirt on the EFL in his locker. True or not I'm holding on with hope. Tbf why would we be punished when they say yep can sell then punish for selling it's wrong all wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, lanzaroteowl said: Keep faith with the club. Now £2 million in profit. Clean slate to start over. New beginnings. We've been there before. Nowt to slit our wrists about. Didn't we only make £2m profit because we sold the stadium back to ourselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogbad Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, fudge27 said: If we get points deducted, does it reset our ffp to 0? Not if we stay in the Championship. If we're relegated I believe League 1 financial controls are based on a wages cap & if/when we get promoted back to the Championship I presume our FFP/P&S would start again at 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzaroteowl Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Just now, matthefish2002 said: Didn't we only make £2m profit because we sold the stadium back to ourselves? Yes. But we have done it. It seems the problem is when not if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, fudge27 said: If we get points deducted, does it reset our ffp to 0? No as it only applies to the period of the infringement. So if this is for last season, we get it this or the start of next then the calculation is based on the 3 year rolling. The grey area is if, the EFL don't allow the sale in the 2018 account then they have to allow it in the 2019 accounts so either way the sale is included as profits, just when it is included as the rules still have not been changed to prevent other clubs doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markowski77 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 The thing is to the EFL must have all their ducks in a row otherwise they don’t have a leg to stand on - they can’t one minute say everything is ok, sign accounts off then 4 months down the line pull us up, for things they initially agreed too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I think we're in a spot of bother... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, room0035 said: No as it only applies to the period of the infringement. So if this is for last season, we get it this or the start of next then the calculation is based on the 3 year rolling. The grey area is if, the EFL don't allow the sale in the 2018 account then they have to allow it in the 2019 accounts so either way the sale is included as profits, just when it is included as the rules still have not been changed to prevent other clubs doing this. Are you a 100% sure that they dont reset. As I am sure I read they did. And if you think about it the whole 39 million thing is based on 3 years rolling. so they are punishing us for a three year period. So therefore that 3 year period should be reset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: Didn’t we vote against the hefty points deduction handed out to Leeds United? Whoever voted against that wants shooting, it’s Leeds FFS 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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