Animis Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, Royal_D said: Great points, but feel the fan base has hung drawn and quartered him already , he’ll be off soon is my own personal view He’s made many mistakes, bad advice was taken and I’m sure he’s got many regrets but if he throws the towel in it’ll be interesting to hear views of exactly what it is the fans wanna see in another owner because we’ve had Chansiri and his £££ I mean the guys family controls TUF were not likely to come up with another owner with the potential financial muscle Chansiri has (some untapped because I do think TUF would step into play on promotion to the PL) What is it we want ? A plodder like Milan ? Cheap ticket prices , minimal investment and hope we get lucky like blades did with a once in a generation manager in Wilder Am not sure we want the big money owners, were Sheffield Wednesday and we like been skint 33 minutes ago, Royal_D said: Nothing whatsoever I’d imagine, it was done to try and get around FFP limits , and im not saying it’s worked and nor am I saying I like it Also , in reference to the John West possibility’s etc they are a dead end, vauge understanding that TUF have to be careful not to be seen having an influence because Readings owner is also from the TUF family and it’s against the rules to be funding 2 clubs In same league If we ever reach the Premier League under DC I wouldn’t be surprised to see TUF throwing there name at stuff The challenge is getting there and the millions it takes to achieve this. Once there the sky money should provide a platform to complete, providing we've a decent manager and good selection of quality players. Yes having TUF providing finances would be ideal and build further. However, DC needs to quickly reassess his plan and determine if he's got the cash and appetite to achieve promotion on his own with his own resources. We're a million miles away from this at the moment - back to where we were when he took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattitheowl Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 The season ticket prices you quote @kivo owl are a little bit misleading and disingenuous. The prices at early bird haven't risen for 4 years. You're simply using the worst case to make a point. 1 Just not bothered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Just now, mattitheowl said: The season ticket prices you quote @kivo owl are a little bit misleading and disingenuous. The prices at early bird haven't risen for 4 years. You're simply using the worst case to make a point. He’s got the face on ‘cause he got caught hiding in the bushes in his green snorkel parka at the training ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Bulgaria said: Your right. You win. Everything is wonderful. If you go back to my first reply to Kivo's post, you'll find I have agreed with every god dam point except the ones I felt are not worthy of being on the "criticism" list,now, does that sound like I'm saying everything is wonderful......... Have a word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tudders Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Read the title of this thread and thought DC had been down to the studio to create another income stream! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMacLean Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Animis said: The challenge is getting there and the millions it takes to achieve this. Once there the sky money should provide a platform to complete, providing we've a decent manager and good selection of quality players. Yes having TUF providing finances would be ideal and build further. However, DC needs to quickly reassess his plan and determine if he's got the cash and appetite to achieve promotion on his own with his own resources. We're a million miles away from this at the moment - back to where we were when he took over. FFP still applies in PL too. Everton now struggling with it so still got to spend carefully. Chansiri would just bust FFP on a bigger scale if we replicate our actions in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattitheowl Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Just now, sMacLean said: FFP still applies in PL too. Everton now struggling with it so still got to spend carefully. Chansiri would just bust FFP on a bigger scale if we replicate our actions in the PL. FFP only counts for EPL if they get in to Europe. So yeah, you're wrong. Just not bothered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, sMacLean said: FFP still applies in PL too. Everton now struggling with it so still got to spend carefully. Chansiri would just bust FFP on a bigger scale if we replicate our actions in the PL. Cleary doesn’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 19 hours ago, KivoOwl said: Things started off well enough. His first involvement was the signing of three players during the January 2015 transfer window. In the summer, he re-signed Lewis McGugan, at the time a huge statement of intent as the player had been a revelation during his loan spell. In May 2015, after acknowledging that he didn’t know enough about football, he announced his intentions to have a five-man management set-up consisting of a three-man ‘Sporting Director Committee’ (Adam Pearson, Glenn Roeder and Paul Senior), a Director of Football and a Head Coach. After Mark Cooper rejected the chance to take the latter job, the relatively unknown Carlos Carvalhal was appointed instead, with the Director of Football role laying vacant. Two weeks after joining, Pearson left for Leeds United, and Roeder left in December. None of the vacated roles were filled, leaving Carvalhal in sole charge of first team affairs. Chansiri turned to agent Amadeu Paixao for transfer recruitment advice, with a raft of unknowns such as Modou Sougou, Lucas Joao, Marco Matias and Darrly Lachman joining Ross Wallace, Fernando Forestieri and Barry Bannan through the door. The first major backlash from fans came after the announcement of ticket prices for the 2015/16 season - £39 to sit on the Kop for the game against Bristol City, and season ticket prices up across the board – the cheapest adult ticket going from £360 to £395. Chansiri was forced to explain his reasoning behind such a steep rise in prices, saying that levels of income had to be raised across the board to help pay for a promotion push. Initial scepticism gave way to acceptance when the team on the field started doing the business and looked set for top end finish. In January 2016 Chansiri decided to ditch the ‘70s Owl’ logo and designed a modern version of the older club emblem. Again, any murmurs of discontent were pushed to one side as the team surged up the league table – who cares what the badge looks like when the product on the pitch is better? Eventually, the team lost in the play-off final at Wembley. The same month, losses of £11m were announced in the club accounts. On top of the increase in POTG prices (the average price of the cheapest POTG ticket for the 2015/16 season was £31.11, up from £23.57 a year earlier), season ticket prices for the 2016/17 season went up again – the cheapest adult ticket going from £395 to £415. The summer of 2016 saw the arrival of Daniel Pudil, Steven Fletcher and Almen Abdi – all three popular signings, but the latter two struggled to get going. Fletcher took nearly three years to hit decent form, while Abdi proved a waste of £4m. Also incoming were Vincent Sasso, Adam Reach and Urby Emanuelson. Transfer outlay for the season would near £20m, though previous favourite McGugan was mysteriously frozen out. The next big talking point was the decision to ditch stripes from the club’s shirt for the first time in over 40 years. But the controversy soon died down. Who cares about what shirt a side is wearing when they’re doing well? The production of replica kits went to an unknown Australian firm, to help save the club and fans money. The shirts didn’t arrive until well after the start of the season, and then they were priced at £59. A raft of bizarre occurrences at the start of the season included the chairman choosing the squad numbers (goalkeeper Joe Wildsmith famously given the number 2 shirt), golden elephants installed outside the South Stand to give us good luck, a two-minute silence held for the recently deceased King of Thailand and the ‘SWFC’ lettering in the North Stand seats replaced with ‘CHANSIRI’. All received some negativity, but the majority were again in support of the chairman as long as he continued to provide a good product on the pitch. The free-flowing football of 15/16 disappeared and Wednesday toiled throughout the season, though they eventually finished in fourth place, before falling short in the play-off semi-finals against Huddersfield. Ticket prices rose further in the summer of 2017. The cheapest adult ST was now £455, up another £40. The average price of the cheapest POTG ticket rose to £33.36. Membership prices also rose from £30 to £50. Jordan Rhodes was signed permanently for £10m after a pretty average loan spell. Also incoming were George Boyd, Joey Pelupessy and Joost van Aken – all three turned out to be terrible signings. Losses of £20m announced in the club accounts. In July 2017 young starlet George Hirst was frozen out of all playing action over a contract dispute, to be joined by Sean Clare later in the season. Both left on free transfers. Kit production again hit problems – stripes returned (albeit pinstripes), but two companies created by the chairman – DTaxis and Elev8 were revealed as kit manufacturers and sponsors. They were again late in arriving. A new scheme, Club1867, was announced. £1,500 would get a supporter a bronze plaque on their seat and a ‘free’ 3-year-season ticket upon promotion to the Premier League. In September 2017 the club celebrated its 150th anniversary with a fireworks display and a world record attempt at producing a ball-shaped cake. On the pitch, results dipped further, and Carlos Carvalhal was eventually shown the door. Another relative unknown – Jos Luhukay – was appointed manager. Around the same time, controversial ex-Charlton CEO Katrien Meire was installed in a similar position at Wednesday. She left after 12 months. Increased fan unrest at the downturn in form was challenged by Chansiri, who set up a poll asking fans whether they wanted the same ticket prices and levels of investment in the squad, or lower ticket prices and a turn towards introducing younger players into the squad. 70% voted for the former, favouring to continue paying higher ticket prices in return for continued investment in the transfer market. In March 2018 further losses of £21m were announced in club accounts, but by the end of the season the side had managed to avoid relegation to League One. In the summer of 2018, season ticket prices were frozen, but membership packages went from £50 to £90 – a decision that was reversed after supporter backlash. Replica kits were again not ready for sale until after the season had started. For the first time since pre-WWII, no players signed for the club during the summer, with youth players instead integrated into the side. Instead of ticket prices being lowered, the average price of the cheapest POTG ticket over the 2018/19 season rose further, to £33.17. One bright note in the summer of 2018 was the lifting of the club’s transfer embargo, though fans had never been informed that the club was in one to start with. On the pitch, Wednesday looked set for a relegation dogfight after a poor start to the season which cost Luhukay his job. Steve Bruce took over the reigns eight weeks later and eventually the side again managed to stave off relegation. In the summer of 2019, the club announced a profit of £2.5m in the club accounts, though this was helped by the sale of the club’s home of 120 years to the club chairman for £60m – an attempt to circumvent Profit & Sustainability rules. Eventually, the EFL caught wind of the ploy and brought charges against the club, with a large points deduction the likely penalty. Steve Bruce controversially left for Newcastle United after just four months in the Owls hotseat, but it wasn’t for another eight weeks that his successor was appointed, Garry Monk. In January 2020 the club announced another new ticket scheme, selling 10-year season tickets in another hope to drum up much-needed income. Run that by me again.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Any chance posters can desist from quoting kivo's very long post? It's getting ON MY T*TS !! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Costello 77 said: Any chance posters can desist from quoting kivo's very long post? It's getting ON MY T*TS !! Oh dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sergeant Tibbs said: Oh dear Get stuffed Costello..Tibbs is alright... Edited February 13, 2020 by Costello 77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, Costello 77 said: Get stuffed Costello..Tibbs is alright... It’s getting to us. Earlier on we had @modboy saying he’d rather spend his Saturday afternoons at City Sauna. I don’t know whether he likes going to knocking shops or petting zoos. Under Chansiris price range if he abstains from 3 games he’ll save enough for a weekend in Amsterdam. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Realistically it's more soft play centres at the moment. If there was ever one reason to renew / get a job where I'd have to work weekends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHA83 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 21 hours ago, mattitheowl said: FFP only counts for EPL if they get in to Europe. So yeah, you're wrong. He’s not wrong. FFP restrictions do exist for PL clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigthinrob Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, BHA83 said: He’s not wrong. FFP restrictions do exist for PL clubs. Yeah they exist, A bit like French no smoking laws. No fuc**r takes any notice of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattitheowl Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 hour ago, BHA83 said: He’s not wrong. FFP restrictions do exist for PL clubs. Sorry I should clarify. They do exist, but are so utterly batsh*t that they might as well not. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29361839 Just not bothered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 23 hours ago, mattitheowl said: The season ticket prices you quote @kivo owl are a little bit misleading and disingenuous. The prices at early bird haven't risen for 4 years. You're simply using the worst case to make a point. Thats alright then. Nowt to worry about 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 So in summary his record is appalling in every aspect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Rider Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Is it Ca plane pour moi, by Plastic Bertrand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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