KivoOwl

Overrated.

Wildsmith Palmer Brennan Shaw Borner Reach Hunt Dele-Bashiru Grant Kachunga Adedoyin Subs - Render, Urhoghide, Rice, Waldock, Hidalgo, Hughes, Hagan

You're allowed to make losses of £39m over a rolling three year spell (might have changed recently?) I think we're over £39m over the last three years, so we need to cut our expenses further still, not add to them. We are a complete mess.

We pay the highest season ticket prices in the division, highest match day prices in the division. The chairman reckons he's spent over £180m in the time he's he's been here. Yet we're going into the season 12 points behind everyone else because we fiddled our accounts, with a manager whose win percentage is the lowest in the club's history, and the weakest squad since we left League 1. The chairman treats the fans as customers now - that's been clear since he appointed Katrien Meire. Well, as customers, we're justified in having very high expectations. We should not only be challenging for the Premier League, we should already have been up there for three years. Instead, we're staring almost certain relegation to League 1 in the face and we still have people lecturing others about how their lack of optimism means they're not a proper Wednesday fan.

I was there at Plymouth on a Tuesday night in League 1. I was there at Carlisle and Blackpool in the LDV Vans Trophy. I've had a season ticket for over 20 years, through thin and thinner. It scares me how so many people think you can't be a real fan if you're not 100% optimistic. Having a realistic outlook on the shitshow our club has become and will be in the future doesn't make me less of a fan. I don't understand the constant positivity. Fans have been absolutely shafted for five years, and even when we have 12 points deducted, lose all our best players, sign some dross other clubs don't want and still charged £500 for the privelege to watch it, folk still think the only way you can support a team is by blindly believing everything will turn out alright.

We're going down. No amount of positive mental attitude will change that. The club is done.

Christ almighty that's depressing reading. Paying Premier League prices for a squad like that.

Charles Hagan

A bit like Barry-Murphy being better than Beswetherick.

Another one of Tom's grave

Tom Cawley Hugely important figure in our history. Played in the 1890 FA Cup final, and won the Football Alliance the same year. Most importantly, three years earlier he had implored the club to turn professional. Wednesday would likely not exist if they hadn't. He is buried at Burngreave cemetery, not far from the Scott Road entrance. His headstone has fallen over.

Charles Clegg Played for Wednesday in the very early years, winning the first Sheffield Challenge Cup in 1877 having appeared for England in the first international five years earlier. Went on to become a football administrator, and held the presidency of Wednesday and the FA. http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamPlyrsBios/PlayersC/BioCleggJC.html Knighted in 1927, he died in 1937, and is buried at Fulwood churchyard. William Clegg Younger brother William also played for Wednesday in the 1870s, and also played for England. After finishing playing he became a famed solicitor and politician. Knighted in 1908, he died in 1932, and is buried in Fulwood churchyard. I have been unable to find his grave - maybe he was buried with Charles and the rest of the family but no inscription was added?

THIS is our lowest ebb. Points deducted for the first time in our history. 25% of fans still behind this clown. It's an absolute disgrace what he has done to our grand old club. The EFL have caused us more damage by allowing Chansiri to carry on as normal than they have by deducting us points. I really do fear for the future of the club.

We already are the next Bolton or Pompey. We've had a points deduction and hurtling down at a very fast pace. It's being the next Bury that is the very real threat.

Nope. The rebuild won't begin until Chansiri has left the club. Very dark days ahead.