Simaniac Owl Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, punkskaphil said: I don't remember Megson getting us promoted. His squad did that. For us and HIM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaminowl Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just a shame that he couldn't get his squad to play football for him. Jones showed him how though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, WalthamOwl said: Some of the football under Monk has been shocking. Such dull negative tactics. If we where winning games you can kind of except it but our record since Christmas has been embarrassing. It's the inconsistency of it all, 4-1 a to Middlesbro, 4-0 away to Forrest, 2-0 away to Leeds + wins at Brighton and QPR (who were scoring for fun at the time). Then turn out dog turd like Blackburn, but that has been the way with theses players for the last 4 seasons, so it is nowt new. Looking at the quality, type of players Monk has fetched in, he wants to build a TEAM of players who just do their job, as against a group of players who only play when it suits them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anlaby Owl Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 26 minutes ago, punkskaphil said: You're right, it was his team but their eventual success certainly wasn't down to him. In the ten games before he was finally sacked we won three and lost five (won 4, lost 4 if just going on league games). In the ten games after he was sacked we won seven and lost none. Megson did not get us promoted. There isnt even a worthy debate about who was the better manager if you look at the relevant records of the pair. Megson wins by huge margin. Jones was a serial looser end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 On 01/02/2020 at 12:25, Anlaby Owl said: No even close to megson football. Under megson the team ran their nuts off to this day, some of them are still running 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, adelphi1867 said: It's the inconsistency of it all, 4-1 a to Middlesbro, 4-0 away to Forrest, 2-0 away to Leeds + wins at Brighton and QPR (who were scoring for fun at the time). Then turn out dog turd like Blackburn, but that has been the way with theses players for the last 4 seasons, so it is nowt new. Looking at the quality, type of players Monk has fetched in, he wants to build a TEAM of players who just do their job, as against a group of players who only play when it suits them. I hope you’re right, though I would never suggest that Windass was such a player Guess different managers bring different things out of different players, so hopefully Monk can get Windass’s career back on track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Anlaby Owl said: There isnt even a worthy debate about who was the better manager if you look at the relevant records of the pair. Megson wins by huge margin. Jones was a serial looser end of. Given that we were discussing who got Wednesday promoted, the relevant records are as follows: Megson promotions with Wednesday: 0 Jones promotions with Wednesday: 1 And since you can only fairly compare records when they're managing at the same level (i.e. League One), the relevant stats are: Megson: W24 D11 L18 (45% win) Jones: W10 D3 L0 (77% win) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie melua Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 5 hours ago, punkskaphil said: Given that we were discussing who got Wednesday promoted, the relevant records are as follows: Megson promotions with Wednesday: 0 Jones promotions with Wednesday: 1 And since you can only fairly compare records when they're managing at the same level (i.e. League One), the relevant stats are: Megson: W24 D11 L18 (45% win) Jones: W10 D3 L0 (77% win) If you also count the days when the league was the second division, you could include Dave Jones' record at Stockport County. Think they were second in the 97 season, getting to the semi final of the league cup from memory. Plus Gary Megsons' record at Nottingham Forest and I think Blackpool from memory as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Lots of similarities to when Megson first came in compared to Monk. During that 10/11 season Megson similar to Monk had some terrible results at Hillsborough, wasn’t happy at all with the playing squad, even froze certain players out. Was allowed to do something Monk hasn’t yet and that was pretty much transform the playing squad, ruthlessly got rid of players like Spurr who was a fan favourite and even Tommy Miller who had scored 9 goals and been captain for Megson. Even scrapped Michael Morrison who we had paid a decent amount of money for. He was absolutely ruthless that summer and was allowed to replace players that suited what he wanted. Signed people who wanted to be at our club, didn’t sign people off reputation. Monk needs to be allowed to do that same and I’m fully behind that. Wether Chansiri is may be a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, 0114 said: Lots of similarities to when Megson first came in compared to Monk. During that 10/11 season Megson similar to Monk had some terrible results at Hillsborough, wasn’t happy at all with the playing squad, even froze certain players out. Was allowed to do something Monk hasn’t yet and that was pretty much transform the playing squad, ruthlessly got rid of players like Spurr who was a fan favourite and even Tommy Miller who had scored 9 goals and been captain for Megson. Even scrapped Michael Morrison who we had paid a decent amount of money for. He was absolutely ruthless that summer and was allowed to replace players that suited what he wanted. Signed people who wanted to be at our club, didn’t sign people off reputation. Monk needs to be allowed to do that same and I’m fully behind that. Wether Chansiri is may be a different matter. So what are you saying, because we know how it all ended for Megson, let’s not make the same mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, gurujuan said: So what are you saying, because we know how it all ended for Megson, let’s not make the same mistake? Never mention Megson’s end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 On 01/02/2020 at 17:17, SiJ said: Megson football was better than this. Nothing wrong with direct football if you do it properly. We play aimless football. Absolutly this. Also before we start to slag Megson off lets not forget we was in 3rd place when he got sacked and I do believe Antonio was the player that made a massive impact on our on our whole team and season to a degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 22 hours ago, roaminowl said: Just a shame that he couldn't get his squad to play football for him. Jones showed him how though. It was at a time when Megson had some key players injured and we desperatly needed someone coming in ...he got Antonio and the first game we beat the pigs after that we will never know will we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaminowl Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 40 minutes ago, TaxiMark said: It was at a time when Megson had some key players injured and we desperatly needed someone coming in ...he got Antonio and the first game we beat the pigs after that we will never know will we. You might not know, but I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, roaminowl said: You might not know, but I do. Dave Jones inherited a half decent side that was just getting some injured players back and had just got Antonio. His true colours came out in the division above. Ill still say Megson was a much better manager then him anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 23 hours ago, adelphi1867 said: It's the inconsistency of it all, 4-1 a to Middlesbro, 4-0 away to Forrest, 2-0 away to Leeds + wins at Brighton and QPR (who were scoring for fun at the time). Then turn out dog turd like Blackburn, but that has been the way with theses players for the last 4 seasons, so it is nowt new. Looking at the quality, type of players Monk has fetched in, he wants to build a TEAM of players who just do their job, as against a group of players who only play when it suits them. No surprise that you mention 5 terrific performances and 5 away games. Its our home style that lacks a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 On 01/02/2020 at 18:06, McRightSide said: Megson had a plan. Carlos had a dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I wonder if Megson were managing now, not us obviously, whether he might change the way he approached things. When he was here, his football was dreadful, but at West Brom, apparently it was a bit more palatable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaminowl Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 39 minutes ago, TaxiMark said: Ill still say Megson was a much better manager then him anyday. One got us promoted, the other couldn't. FACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, roaminowl said: One got us promoted, the other couldn't. FACT He wasnt allowed too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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