DJMortimer Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 In the age of Donald Trump it is somehow apt that a few musings about discipline or motivation around the squad is suddenly becoming a full blown screenplay with all sorts of specific names, times and events being detailed. I acknowledge that there are some clues about unrest in the camp (and fans can usually find 'evidence' of that at just about any time whether it exists or not anyway), but this seems to be growing exponentially by the hour. If it carries on like this we'll soon have a pitchfork wielding mob on Middlewood Road. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 32 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: He (FF) made a video of him riding a bike to training and turning his pockets out like he was skint because he had the face on that Fletcher got a car for signing on. Around the same time he refused to get on the bus. Sounds like a bit of banter to me your not a snowflake are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Not the video/picture in question, there were a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Utterly ridiculous really 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, sonofbert2 said: CC’s philosophy created a monster. It almost paid off but it left a poisonous legacy. And what was that philosophy exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 For all Jos got wrong, it turns out he was spot on regarding Dawson, albeit a little prematurely. But then again, he said he was thinking long term. Many posters on here were ridiculed for defending the playing of Dawson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 That’s doesn’t excuse some of the absolutely horrific decisions and selections he made Awful manager, the worst in my lifetime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: And what was that philosophy exactly? His philosophy was that of Mourinho’s. First 11, the chosen ones, the outsiders, loose on training, mind over matter on injuries. Bit of a holiday camp for those in the frame and very frustrating for those on the sidelines. Certain players were the chosen amongst the chosen. The special ones. 3 year short-term plan that almost came off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, LondonOwl313 said: Problem is, Utd and Wilder are a one off. Odds of replicating what they have on the cheap is pretty minimal. Of the players you mention only one of them is playing, the rest aren't good enough for them anymore I thought Huddersfield were a one-off. And people probably said the same of Cardiff and Burnley. The first trick is getting there, the second is staying there. Wilder obviously appreciates that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hack-Abusi Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, wilyfox said: Jos was a mixture of good & bad. It was neither all one or the other, but some want to tick a box. Yeah he was on to something for the first 6 months, Nunu scoring, Venancio leading etc. Then it went a bit boobies up for the next 6 months. The chopping and changing didn't help, as did the playing players out of position. I 100% believe he was following a remit by the chairman to extract the high earners from the first team squad with a view to moving them on but his replacements, the youngster simply weren't up to the task. 1 player signed permanently and he was average at best ... Hiding to nothing ... 1 hour ago, Inspector Lestrade said: FF did no more than anyone else does on Social Media . The other day Westwood put some positive Tweets on about the club nobody was falling over themselves to put them on OT. Selective Nah he just refused to play for us after getting whiff of another club coming in for him ... Edited January 29, 2020 by Hack-Abusi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Venancio still remains the biggest mystery to me. We were crying out at centre-half, signed two yet CC went with JVA and Venancio never featured until CC had gone yet he was what was needed all along. Like I said, faces fitting etc. Weird! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ferkorf Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, Hack-Abusi said: Nah he just refused to play for us after getting whiff of another club coming in for him ... So if that was such an issue why didnt the club get rid... Or any of the other 3 managers after carlos.... If his attitude was such a huge problem how did he get given a new contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hack-Abusi Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ferkorf said: So if that was such an issue why didnt the club get rid... Or any of the other 3 managers after carlos.... If his attitude was such a huge problem how did he get given a new contract? Furk knows ...honestly. No idea. He hasn't been great last couple of season though has he ... too inconsistent and showstopping performances too intermittent .. 21 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: Venancio still remains the biggest mystery to me. We were crying out at centre-half, signed two yet CC went with JVA and Venancio never featured until CC had gone yet he was what was needed all along. Like I said, faces fitting etc. Weird! Not to mention the agreed deal falling through, and then being priced out of a new deal when we went back in for him. Top player as well Couldn't make it up could you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daizan10 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 hours ago, WelshOwl74 said: Now I'm not saying he was a good manager ,he was far from it but the dropping of certain players (who people demanded played) Westwood ,Fernando ect. Its obvious there is massive tension at the club at present and certain players running the changing room . How are some players supposed to get motivated when they see Westwood and Fernando on 25/30 k a week taking a annual month off every season . Like I say Jos was garbage and rightfully sacked but I defiantly onto something with trying to get rid of the venom in the changing room Id say he was right in blooding the youngsters and trying to change the squad so we could be more financially stable. If he hadn't been such a terrible cockgobbler his end game would have been a squad of home produced talent on low wages - problem was, the youth wasnt ready and should have been introduced more gradually. You can see with Dawson, how much the game time has improved him - just too late for Jos and to the detriment of results at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Overtime you will get a culture created, sometimes good sometimes not so good. There is enough over the last three or so seasons to suggest that something isn't right within this group of players, many of whom have been around for a number of years. The fact is that squads need reshaping over time. We've sort of done that a bit, but we are still overly reliant upon a certain core group. Until that is moved on and we see real change, then we are doomed to fail imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Remember a select few of us on here who cast doubt on the theory that we had 18 players all injured, at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, McRightSide said: That’s doesn’t excuse some of the absolutely horrific decisions and selections he made Awful manager, the worst in my lifetime Were you not a fan of Hutchinson up front??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Sonny said: Were you not a fan of Hutchinson up front??? I preferred the zero strikers approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 hours ago, 2roland2 said: but we were 3rd a few games ago when we had a player up front who could play to our only plan of direct football. so forget the ethos for a moment. When we played these tactics with a team capable of doing it (fletch leading the lime) the results came regardless of the atmosphere and ethos. now we have lost the only player capable of letting us play this way and results have fallen ( directly coinciding with losing fletcher) It’s now the ethos and squad trouble causes fault? look at the way we play, look at what we lack playing that way right now ( no fletcher ) and keep telling yourself it’s the horrible 4. absolute testicles being thrown about today. You honestly believe we are the 3rd best team even with a fully fit squad? We were only in that position as the league is really tight this year and we weren’t even at the halfway point. Any half decent run of results would have seen any team in the same position. There’s is a losing mentality at the club which has been proven by the fact that despite large investment we are no better off than 6 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Ferkorf said: So if that was such an issue why didnt the club get rid... Or any of the other 3 managers after carlos.... If his attitude was such a huge problem how did he get given a new contract? Because DC doesn’t sell members of his “family” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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