Luke Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Now I'm not saying he was a good manager ,he was far from it but the dropping of certain players (who people demanded played) Westwood ,Fernando ect. Its obvious there is massive tension at the club at present and certain players running the changing room . How are some players supposed to get motivated when they see Westwood and Fernando on 25/30 k a week taking a annual month off every season . Like I say Jos was garbage and rightfully sacked but I defiantly onto something with trying to get rid of the venom in the changing room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, WelshOwl74 said: Now I'm not saying he was a good manager ,he was far from it but the dropping of certain players (who people demanded played) Westwood ,Fernando ect. Its obvious there is massive tension at the club at present and certain players running the changing room . How are some players supposed to get motivated when they see Westwood and Fernando on 25/30 k a week taking a annual month off every season . Like I say Jos was garbage and rightfully sacked but I defiantly onto something with trying to get rid of the venom in the changing room How the hell do you know that? You just pull it out of your ass. Just make it up. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Jos had the right idea he just didn't have the young players who good enough to implement his thinking coupled with being unable to buy new players and sell them he didn't want he was always going to struggle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I think to be fair to Jos, he saw the issues but went too far too quickly. His inexperience of the league soon caught up with him and he looked lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDO Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I alluded to this earlier in another post. Jos was clearly onto something even though at the time I thought he was barking. However, in hindsight it seems that he was onto something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitcat Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I guess he just couldn't get the best out of the crap we have in reserve. Here's hoping Monk can.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Why do people take posts from other threads and then make a fresh one ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 It’s not like we were unaware of all the squads shortcomings, it didn’t take any great insight from Jos, Monk or anyone else. We also know the difficulties of moving on players on big contracts. To be fair, Monk must have known that when he took the job. In recent seasons, we haven’t made those mistakes, perhaps through necessity, but we are working our way through it, which is all we can do. Last summer, we were able to lose some of the big earners, and in the main, people were happy with the business we did. Next summer, another swathe of the high earners will be gone. Monk’s public outburst has done nothing to help the situation, stating the obvious, in such a way, just reflects badly on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew6666 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, torryowl said: Jos had the right idea he just didn't have the young players who good enough to implement his thinking coupled with being unable to buy new players and sell them he didn't want he was always going to struggle This is the problem with the club in my eyes, we have given 1 manager in the last god knows how many years, a fortune to spend. Then get rid of him and expect the other managers to work with the players the first guy brought in. I don't understand how Carlos got as much money as he did, when others seem to get nothing (Bruce included). The Chairman putting unrealistic values on players we want rid of doesn't help in trimming the squad either. It really seems that we are stuck in a catch 22 situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian joicey Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, torryowl said: Jos had the right idea he just didn't have the young players who good enough to implement his thinking coupled with being unable to buy new players and sell them he didn't want he was always going to struggle in a league/country that he didn't understand too . he was given some stick but, in reality, what chance did he stand??? who the hell thought he would be a good appointment ???? once again our 'recruitment' system working its' magic !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, 2roland2 said: im still at a loss as to how these alleged trouble causes Westwood, hutch, Ff et al are to blame for Blackburn and last night. they weren’t even in the squad, if you want to play a guessing game as to what is goi g on fine but for the love of god stop trying to pass the buck to them for our last half dozen or so games in the league where we have failed to turn up. If you think our trouble only just started at Blackburn then you've been hiding in a cave Its been fairly obvious this club has been a mess for 3/4 years but people are only clicking on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Some idiots think it’s only things that go on on the pitch that affects things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Carlos = clown Jos = unlucky. Owlstalk at its finest. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, markowl said: Carlos = clown Jos = unlucky. Owlstalk at its finest. Where did I say jos was unlucky ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, hugeowl said: Some idiots think it’s only things that go on on the pitch that affects things Exactly this. As an example, the last time Westwood was sidelined he was chattingshit on Twitter and undermining Dawson. FF riding a bike and turning his pockets out because Fletcher got a car as part of his signing on fee..... Etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, WelshOwl74 said: Where did I say jos was unlucky ? Where did I quote you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TodwickOwl Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Isn't it widely known that Westwood and Hutchinson used to turn up and go as they please at training? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, 2roland2 said: im still at a loss as to how these alleged trouble causes Westwood, hutch, Ff et al are to blame for Blackburn and last night. they weren’t even in the squad, if you want to play a guessing game as to what is goi g on fine but for the love of god stop trying to pass the buck to them for our last half dozen or so games in the league where we have failed to turn up. Nothing to do with a single performance or even our poor run of form. It’s to do with the culture and ethos of the club as a whole but more specifically the playing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, 2roland2 said: your just confirming my point the only reason I mentioned those two games are it’s in the past week. FF and westwood haven’t been in the squad for a long time...... as for Hutchinson, when he has played recently he’s played well, he had an awful start to the season but he’s been one of the very few to come out of his recent games with any credit. so again how are these three to blame for our current run of form??? And why is Westwood not playing ? Monk says he ain't injured ,so why's he not on bench It all points to a paddy from him Would you be motivated if 'a fans favourite' has zero motivation to get his place back and happy to collect double wages more than his team mates and no one in management/chairman saying anything How would you feel if a team mate refused to get on a coach then rewarded with a brand new contract ,takes a month off every Christmas while collecting double your wages with zero punishment Is so bloody obvious certain players are taking the P!55 but let's ignore it cus we got a day out in Wembley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, 2roland2 said: so again my above comment when we were sat 3rd/4th why was their bad influence not effecting the performances and spirit? They were both involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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