Sonny Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 It’s been interesting to see how the England youth set up shows some loyalty to its squad even when someone is clearly underperforming. Guessing that doesn’t continue to u21s when things get a little more serious. Surely he can’t spend another year scratching about in the Belgian second division. I’ve little sympathy for his choices but it would be painful to see him continuing to flounder just because they wanted to get one over on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, Skyline said: Out of interest (And not trying to prove anything here), how many of them 20 were starts? 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendaryswan Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) Reading some of the comments I can understand why he left,the weight of expectation from his dads legacy & his goals record at youth and International level must have laid heavy on his mind,given the way some of our support can crucify a player in just a short space of time,Id say hes made the right decision. Its the failure on our part to wrestle the 2M they initially offered for a lad with everything to prove in the mans game that bothers me most,yes he could still go onto better things in the future,but the kid will have to put in a lot of hard work both physically AND mentally to make the transition from boy to man in a football sense and be lucky with injuries.......... Edited June 17, 2019 by legendaryswan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: 15. Cheers - Not such a good record at all then. Wrong move for him. I think they were expecting him to go there, start some games and score a fair few then end up at Leicester. At this rate, he'll end up at a L2 club in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 If Hirst (although probably more accurately, his father and whoever else there is in his corner) wanted to get 'one over on us', the 'us' here is surely just Chansiri rather than anyone else at the club and certainly not the fans. Worth remembering when it comes to having a go at the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) Stopped listening to Talk premier league a while ago but when the U18,19,20 et al tournaments were being played there would be discussions about how huge the gulf was between those teams and league, usually top two, sides Edited June 17, 2019 by darra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heppers Posted June 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2019 19 hours ago, 1867Heaven said: Don’t think he’s played for 21’s mate, he scored most of those goals people mention for u19’s and some for u20’s Listen pal, the last thing this forum needs is people like you with facts. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffjohnsonmyhero Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 9 hours ago, sweetsheri said: Based on his name I take it? Made one brief senior appearance for us in the cup Missed out on 12 months development Scores 2 in 20 playing in a parks league And you would take him back? It is nothing to do with his name ,Was he not scoring regular for the u18 and u21 England side ,Was he scoring for Wednesday at the same level ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveger Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 cant believe we are still discussing him... he's a nobody now.... burnt his bridges 8 hours ago, cowl said: If Hirst (although probably more accurately, his father and whoever else there is in his corner) wanted to get 'one over on us', the 'us' here is surely just Chansiri rather than anyone else at the club and certainly not the fans. Worth remembering when it comes to having a go at the lad. what they did was rob the club of valuable money, he got one over on the owner, the owner who owns and fiances our club, simples, same thing in my book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 10 hours ago, steveger said: what they did was rob the club of valuable money, he got one over on the owner, the owner who owns and fiances our club, simples, same thing in my book... By that reasoning you'd accept anything and everything the owner does merely because he finances the club. Is that your view? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveger Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 4 hours ago, cowl said: By that reasoning you'd accept anything and everything the owner does merely because he finances the club. Is that your view? Nope.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Just now, steveger said: Nope.... So it's not so 'simples', after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 20 hours ago, Jeffjohnsonmyhero said: It is nothing to do with his name ,Was he not scoring regular for the u18 and u21 England side ,Was he scoring for Wednesday at the same level ? He's never played for the u21's, let alone score for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveger Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, cowl said: So it's not so 'simples', after all. Is in my mind, they shafted Sheffield Wednesday Football Club, the club they claimed to love.... i have my opinions and you have differing ones mate, that's life and that's what makes Owlstalk work Edited June 18, 2019 by steveger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 9 hours ago, cowl said: By that reasoning you'd accept anything and everything the owner does merely because he finances the club. Is that your view? Accept it? No, plenty of his decisions have been debated and criticised on here over the past few years. Don't think I would go to the extent of depriving the owner (more accurately in this case the football club) of a fair amount of income due to a fall out and disagreement to the extent that I would see it more fit to persuade/encourage a player who clearly has the potential to make a go of it in this country, to the Belgian 2nd division where a year on he is now seemingly in the wilderness and almost certainly behind where he would have been in terms of experience and progression had this not been the chosen route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffjohnsonmyhero Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Sham67 said: He's never played for the u21's, let alone score for them. Stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 hours ago, hirstyboywonder said: Accept it? No, plenty of his decisions have been debated and criticised on here over the past few years. Don't think I would go to the extent of depriving the owner (more accurately in this case the football club) of a fair amount of income due to a fall out and disagreement to the extent that I would see it more fit to persuade/encourage a player who clearly has the potential to make a go of it in this country, to the Belgian 2nd division where a year on he is now seemingly in the wilderness and almost certainly behind where he would have been in terms of experience and progression had this not been the chosen route. Chansiri stopped Hirst from playing and even training with his colleagues with just less than a year of his contract to run because he was supposedly dragging his heals with the contract that was offered him. When you go nuclear like that and at that stage in a contract negotiation it's hardly surprising it all blew up in his face. It's also hardly surprising there was very little sentiment towards Chansiri (and sadly by extension, the club) when it came to Hirst's choice of club to sign for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple O Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, cowl said: Chansiri stopped Hirst from playing and even training with his colleagues with just less than a year of his contract to run because he was supposedly dragging his heals with the contract that was offered him. When you go nuclear like that and at that stage in a contract negotiation it's hardly surprising it all blew up in his face. It's also hardly surprising there was very little sentiment towards Chansiri (and sadly by extension, the club) when it came to Hirst's choice of club to sign for. That's just rumour and hearsay. You state it as though you know it to be true when that is impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, cowl said: Chansiri stopped Hirst from playing and even training with his colleagues with just less than a year of his contract to run because he was supposedly dragging his heals with the contract that was offered him. When you go nuclear like that and at that stage in a contract negotiation it's hardly surprising it all blew up in his face. It's also hardly surprising there was very little sentiment towards Chansiri (and sadly by extension, the club) when it came to Hirst's choice of club to sign for. Go nuclear?! What evidence do you have that this was the case? 2 sides to every story, maybe the club took a stance to a player dragging his heels in contract negotiations and when the player and his representatives took that badly they decided to take further action. As for it blowing up in his face and a lack of sentiment towards the club that served their family well over many years, the choice of club appears to have worked out pretty badly for the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakefieldowl Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Triple O said: That's just rumour and hearsay. You state it as though you know it to be true when that is impossible. I agree. No one really knows whats happened, but for mr c to act as he did, it must have been serious. Id love george to do well for us, i still would, but it looks like hes been given some pretty atrocious advice. From such potential, to a poor begian second division team is quite a fall. Leicester may have turned us over for £2m (pretty pathetic for a premiershit club) but theyve also seriously harmed hirsts career too (again pretty crap from leicester) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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