trotter Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, wawawuto said: Yes I would agree with that. FF was unplayable in his first season. These days offers very little due to injuries FF hasn’t been the same player since refusing to play at Norwich. The team as a whole never really recovered. We we should have got shut then. No one bigger than the team. Edited December 2, 2018 by trotter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheriwozgod Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Considering the whole entire clusterf*** that is Sheffield Wednesday at the moment I think FF and BB are waaaaay down the list of those that need taking to task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Rider Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 You could use the old footballing cliche that Jos has lost the changing room. Unfortunately the truth is he never found it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamK2292 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Would agree Bannan is overrated. Not as good as he's made out to be. He hasn't cut it at the top level as he is incapable of stamping his authority on a game. Unless a new manager makes a complete change to the formation which allows us to fit Bannan in. And as for Nando, he hasn't been the same since the Norwich debacle and I'll be shocked if he's with us next season due to him entering the final year of his contract - and we won't be giving him a new one or let him go for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Bannan and Reach are our best players by far. Bannan was excellent early season and has gone off slightly, as has the rest of the team. But he is still the heartbeat of our side. He has added goals this year - the thing he has lacked. Three goals from a CM after 18 games is good. We underrate Bannan. So many games our opposing fans and pundits pick him as MoM, but we have seen his excellence so often that we take it for granted. The 18/19 Forestieri is very overrated. The 15/16 player was outstanding. Played wide he was one of the top half dozen players in the division. Played as a CF he was very average. However, whether by injury, or lack of self-motivation, or lack of respect for Carlos and now Jos, his star has rarely shone for two years. He hardly plays - he’s started 24 games in those 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 end of day both of cost 3 miilion combined. first time ever Wednesdays done decent business and probley won't do better again I more concerned we bought jones,Boyd,abdi and fox for nearly £10 million plus the £6miilion a week wages we pay jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 52 minutes ago, trotter said: FF hasn’t been the same player since refusing to play at Norwich. The team as a whole never really recovered. We we should have got shut then. No one bigger than the team. what a load of $h1t Fernando finished top scorer that season..was on fire when he came back last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 4 hours ago, Mickjj said: Have to agree about BB, I hate those little floating chips into the box which almost always amount to nothing. I don't question his commitment and he needs someone to play alongside who can allow him tho play higher up the pitch instead of always having to drop back to get the ball. The point the OP made about having a go at his team mates was evident again yesterday when he tore into Thorniley after the first goal. Perhaps it's personal, as when CD has saved penalties he's made a point of congratulating him. The two named players are good players in this league. Under this regime it is hard to flourish. Most of us will have worked for companies and bosses we don't like or understand the goals. It's demotivating and unproductive. Until the manager is replaced, expect more of the same. Mediocre performances from all over the park. I imagine one or two can't wait for the transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, WelshOwl74 said: end of day both of cost 3 miilion combined. first time ever Wednesdays done decent business and probley won't do better again I more concerned we bought jones,Boyd,abdi and fox for nearly £10 million plus the £6miilion a week wages we pay jones Great point. We will make a great profit on Bannan and Reach when they go. Maybe not Nando now due to his many injuries but he has been fabulous value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Great point. We will make a great profit on Bannan and Reach when they go. Maybe not Nando now due to his many injuries but he has been fabulous value. if you look at our squad the best players who have done something in their time here haven't cost hardly anything westwood-free hutch-free bannan-free lee-free Hooper -£3million fletcher -free Fernando -£3million reach-£5million then comparing with jones- £4 million abdi-£4 million Rhodes -record signing vanAken -£4million Marco £3 million since we started spending serious money the players have got worse our best team if fit is westwood-free palmer-youth lees-free hutch-free thorniley/penney-youth Fernando £3million bannan-free lee-free reach-£5 million hooper-£3million fletcher -free so our best possible team cost £11 million and the rest of the poo cost double/treble that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 5 hours ago, 33 said: Bannan needs to play further up the pitch and not as a 3rd, 4th or 5th CB depending which formation Jos has picked out of his Lucky Bag this week. To do that it would help if he didn't have a useless foooker like Joey at the side of him each week. Fernando is our best player and should be starting in either a no 10 or inside forward role every game. He works hard for the team and Bannan is more effective when FF is on the pitch as the opposition can't play such a high line when players like FF or even Joao are on the pitch. Agree, the problem for Bannan is that he looks up to pass forward and there’s no one there. We’re basically playing 8 centre backs and letting in a minimum of 2 goal per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, WelshOwl74 said: if you look at our squad the best players who have done something in their time here haven't cost hardly anything westwood-free hutch-free bannan-free lee-free Hooper -£3million fletcher -free Fernando -£3million reach-£5million then comparing with jones- £4 million abdi-£4 million Rhodes -record signing vanAken -£4million Marco £3 million since we started spending serious money the players have got worse our best team if fit is westwood-free palmer-youth lees-free hutch-free thorniley/penney-youth Fernando £3million bannan-free lee-free reach-£5 million hooper-£3million fletcher -free so our best possible team cost £11 million and the rest of the poo cost double/treble that Totally agree that’s our best side. What I wouldn’t give to see Westwood Palmer Lees Hutch Penney FF Lee Bannan Reach Hooper Fletcher And as you say it was built very cheaply. Sadly, five are injured now or often, and it’s never going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxtongent Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 I wonder about Bannan and the role(s) he plays. He seems to be here there and everywhere, and how much does this mean that covering him is nigh impossible. Is it that he is being asked to play all these roles or is it his make-up that HE wants to be involved in everything, and so ends up fulfilling none of the roles completely.?Would he perhaps be better to not be involved in everything. There is nothing worse than, if you are trying to play a role, someone else steps in and does the job himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the third man Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Bannan is bring told to play in front of the back 4 and everyone seems to be told to pass to him at every opportunity, despite Jos stating he doesn't like it, and FF is not being used even when he is fit so whether they are overrated cannot be judged until we get the right manager in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 as reading says good players get dragged down to the level of their team mates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepitsteel89 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 6 hours ago, wawawuto said: Vote this down all you want, but this is just my opinion. Bannan's set pieces really are terrible. A majority of his corners fail to clear the first man. Those little chipped crosses from central pieces do my head in, he tries to chip it over defenders heads from the edge of the box, when surely a better option would be to keep it on the floor. I love his workrate, however only this season have I noticed how he seems to rip into his team-mates. The Norwich game for example, when we conceded, he ran over to Pudil and in front of 25,000 people had his finger in his face, shouting at him. Appalling if you ask me. Forestieri. On his day, in the top 5 players in the league. But in the last 12 months, how many times have we seen him on his day? Not many. Does seem to go missing way more now than he did in his first season. Add to that his very poor injury record (think it was less than 1/3 of games he has started in his time here), I honestly believe he is also overrated these days. I appreciate he isn't starting at the minute and I disagree with that, but he is hardly demanding a regular starting place. Both excellent players on their day. But we rarely see their best. We need to get rid of Jos and get one of the usual suspects in who's managed the division and brought teams out of it. We wont see the best of any of our players anytime soon if not because they aren't playing for him and we need somone who can change that. I think Jos would have done well in the long term IF results had gone our way for him and he had money to bring in players to suit his style, but the fact of the matter is we are in real danger of going down now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) I know there are any number of issues contributing to our current problems but the one we can quickly change is the manager who is an absolute disaster. forestieri came back in against derby after we had been without him for a couple of months - he’s now been benched for two consecutive games - why? Edited December 2, 2018 by ka58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatzooma Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 4 hours ago, wawawuto said: Fully agree You talk absolute bollax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronio Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 I wouldn't say they were overrated. Under performing would be more apt imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Just now, Ronio said: I wouldn't say they were overrated. Under performing would be more apt imo. Agree with you but in Fessi’s case you have to be on the pitch to perform, under or otherwise. Even in his brief cameo yesterday he brought more control, quality and focused attacking intent than the rest could muster in 90 mins. This despite the fact he looked totally pished off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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