fred mciver Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Like at Bayern, a few thousand behind Kop goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordyowl Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I'd say the blocks that have 'w' and 'f' on the Kop unless the whole bottom part of the Kop could be done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 13 hours ago, HirstWhoScoredIt said: If safe standing is permitted why would we not make the whole of the kop standing? Would surely be a no brainer. Just don't see that happening. Cost of installing rail standing, still with the required seats in a massive area like the Hillsborough Kop would be too frightening to seriously consider. Especially as supporters would expect to pay less to stand. If it happens at all it will be a very small enclosure at the back of the Kop for a couple of thousand, tops. Even then it would take years to get the required approvals. The words Hillsborough and standing would scare the authorities witless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rance McGraw Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 14 hours ago, Semedo's ferret said: Watchdog & Ed Balls giving the safe standing debate some publicity. With parliament set to debate and the movement gathering momentum, IF club's on a club by club basis were allowed, and we went for it, where would we be best placing a (eg) 2000 capacity safe standing area? North stand? back or front of kop? Thoughts please. *if anyone can set up a survey that would be great. Including the choice of no standing. I've got a lovely seat in the middle if the North Stand. I'm fine as I am. UTO FTP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 2 hours ago, g-owls said: No, but no club would be under any obligation to install safe standing areas either, and as much as things have moved on, Hillsborough will unfortunately always be tainted. I'm all for standing but could you imagine the reaction if we saw just one incident following the removal of seats? It wouldn't take much for this club to be dragged through the mud again. We have had years of standing after the disaster that people tend to forget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBQ24 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe ground improvement costs are factored into FFP? Costs would also be a factor generally when all available funds are required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Problem is, it would be like signing Jordan Rhodes. People are so used to having a new thread about it every four or five days that if we actually went and got it they'd be flipping clueless what to start endless threads about. Then some other schmuck would have to start slating it because it wasn't a magic bullet that solved all our problems after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tudders Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Hugh Jarce said: I've got a lovely seat in the middle if the North Stand. I'm fine as I am. UTO FTP Is it a large seat? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkmus Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Out of all the grounds in the top two divisions, Hillsborough would be the last if ever to be fitted with safe seating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 2 hours ago, VBQ24 said: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe ground improvement costs are factored into FFP? Costs would also be a factor generally when all available funds are required. No ground improvements don't count towards FFP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffsteel Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, crookesowl said: What’s the benefit though? Seems like you still allocate a seat that you can stand up in front of, so how many more tickets can you sell? Open standing but with better Safety should be where it’s at. The Green Book Safety guide that’s used in Germany states that a 1 to 1.8 ratio is safe. Most clubs use that ratio with one German club using a 1 (seat) to 2 (standing) ratio. However at Celtic they use a 1 to 1 ratio and in the early days as it’s a trial I would expect England to insist on a trial 1 to 1 ratio. However if everything runs smoothly then you would quickly expect the ratio to be increased resulting in stadium capacities increasing. Although it’s not so simple to increase capacity because concourse areas/ toilets, catering facilities and exits would also need increasing. Edited May 24, 2018 by sheffsteel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 8 hours ago, wiggy said: Leppings Lane lower. Least likely option for obvious reasons, but think about it. Doesn’t disturb and season ticket holders, populated a part of the ground that is rarely used. Makes sense to me. Thats probably one part of Hillsborough that will never see standing again. That downward sloping tunnel always concerned me when i stood there many years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveger Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Kop wants knocking down along with the away end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 13 minutes ago, steveger said: Kop wants knocking down along with the away end... Shaddup, tha never goes anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 16 hours ago, Maxine said: It has to be the back of the kop. How will you see from the back of the Kop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBQ24 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: No ground improvements don't count towards FFP I stand corrected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semedo's ferret Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Malkmus said: Out of all the grounds in the top two divisions, Hillsborough would be the last if ever to be fitted with safe seating. Surely that would depend on the precedent set before with other clubs and the strength of our application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 18 hours ago, Semedo's ferret said: If the government passes this (heavily tipped to) every club would get the same deal. Down to individual clubs to submit the plan and implement. Providing supporters groups and the chairman are in agreement, then that's that. the club would not, and should not be willing to take a haircut on this so, to keep the gate receipts on an even keel would/should the safe standing be at the same price as seats in that area?. or the price of an average seat in the ground? if the latter is opted for, and it is sited on the kop then those standing would be paying more than those seated in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, dnhc said: the club would not, and should not be willing to take a haircut on this so, to keep the gate receipts on an even keel would/should the safe standing be at the same price as seats in that area?. or the price of an average seat in the ground? if the latter is opted for, and it is sited on the kop then those standing would be paying more than those seated in that area. They are going to have to cover the cost of installing them, so an extra ten quid for the privilege seems fair enough to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitcat Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 In a safe standing area, would I be allowed stilts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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