dorian gray

hahahahahah! who would you have in then?................ a) absolutely anyone you dare to name (let's pretend we aren't a ****ing shambles, with a chronic squad, and the club is in a fantastic financial position) you know, what you dream of. and b) reality, like when alan irvine came in?

a good number of parts in your post merely support my points. firstly who were these 'other managers'? of course monk knew when he took over who in general our playing staff was, but he wouldn't know the only one capable of hitting a cow's arse with a banjo was a slow old premier league warhorse and nuhiu for 15 minutes a game. he didn't concede late goals, our aging and spent side did. i don't know you, nor you i, but i have been on, and read a number of pages on here where people (our fans) were never 'open minded about monk' they were gritting the teeth at having to wait so long to stab him in the back as we went up the division, but the opportunity was never lost to mention that had our aged side hung on in every game we'd be much better off than 3rd. and monk was to blame for that. they were full in the knowledge that when his replacement came all our problems would be sorted by our back line suddenly turning into ball players, and us taking a minimum or 3 minutes to get it from the keeper to the halfway line. having fletcher as the only forward of any merit is a very good reason for our form falling off a cliff when he was injured for a long period. our defensive prowess fell apart as without an outball, our defence knew that it has to hold out for the side to gain a point, and the opposition knows this too, and the opposition also know that it can attack with greater numbers against a side with no attacking response, whilst also assured that some in the s6 crowd are and have been ready to turn nasty at the first sign of problems. there maybe sides with 'worse' squads, but are there sides with such unbalanced squads?, are the clubs with as many players in it who are incapable of performing in this division? are there squads who have only the one forward? are there clubs where the competent playing staff are as old? i think all 4 answers might well be NO!

let's be fair gurujuan you wanted 'uncle coco', or a coco clone since the start.

let me try and help you here. as i've pointed out in a previous post it's well known amongst our fan base that... a) our squad in general was built for one style of play, it got sussed at wembley, and as time went on was sussed by more and more, until in the third season we were very close to entering into a relegation struggle. b) it was built to win promotion within two years, IT FAILED, and in the subsequent seasons the 'stars' brought in were 'over the hill'. c) gambling additions like winnall and rhodes FAILED, and both failed miserably, rhodes at vast expense. d) fletcher was recruited, and despite him being injury prone (and us having an appallingly poor record when it came to injury blighted players) it turned out well, he led the line but needed proper assistance up top to be at his best, we had nothing to give him, he had to tow his nuts off on his own. e) the monies spent whilst moving very little on meant the ffp rules were now restricting wednesday in any further player recruitment, and thus the quality of squad fell away further over time. f) slight squad improvements were made from the time of bruce, but little and (by those amongst our fan base who knew a bit) way short of what was needed to suggest we were promotion hopefuls, perhaps with some luck, some saw us as possible play-off hopefuls. g) THEN we hit a 'golden period where the pisspoor monk gerts our very limited side into 3rd. place, and were it not for points lost late on in a number of games (due to our aging and limited squad) we'd be in at least the top 2. h) THEN, the only forward we have who is not 3rd. division calabre gets a serious injury, we have no 'outball' whatsoever, so it's continual pressure on us throughout games with little in attack despite all being tried. in the Christmas window next to **** all is done about the problem. footnote; our aging and passed it squad cannot play 2 games per week, or 3 in 8 days, unless we try to be tight at the back, and raid. well as with all things in football (and we ought to know better than most looking back 4/5 years) IF you have just one idea you'll get sussed in the end. so sides realise that when playing wednesday they're only likely to score once in a game (if they're lucky), so if you can make it a high scoring game of 4, 5, 6 or more goals you'll be on a winner, and guess what? opposition scouts, coaches and management have a bit more understanding of football than some of our fans, and results turn badly. you could add to that there seems to be somewhat of a 'rebellion' amongst some of our players, who it appears may not be entirely new to 'rebellion'.

IF you don't understand what you saw, then i'm not going to explain what is obviously a level of football that's above you, but i can understand that people have differing levels in different subjects. when do you think 'monk is finished'? when will your prediction spring into action?

i remember that game, mid week i figure back end of the season, virtually the winner went up, we (a few wednesday supporting mates, and one pig) were playing footy with the radio on listening to the score come in, the evening just went from bad to worse. we all fancied cardiff would do a job on them.

i saw him in't manvers about 6/9 months ago, looked like a double wardrobe with a head on top.

he has a totally unbalanced squad, built to square pass the ball for an age inside it's own half before crossing the half way line, it has an abundance of strikers on the books, by numerous times our most expensive, yet ONLY ONE of them is any good. any manager would have been under pressure when losing that single striker for such an extended period, let alone one who appears to have a rebellion on his hands, and works for a club who has brought players in, and not released them causing them to be walled in by a straightjacket of financial constraints, it's a perfect storm. yet some foolishly think this club if it gets shut of him is going to attract some kind of messiah, to the point that sam allardyce has been mentioned.

he was the most passes, for passings sake footballer i can remember, and soon chalked **** on it when he realised wednesday weren't signing the big name players he'd been led to believe they would.

is this the same monk that got our grossly unbalanced, overaged, passed it's best squad into THIRD PLACE in the division when he had a SINGLE WORTHY FORWARD available for selection? all of our knowledgeable fans, and a number of our less so knowledgeable understand that our back up, and bench strikeforce aren't worth a hill of beanz, with the exclusion of nuhiu for 15 minutes at the back end of a game. yet some of our support still look to use the period of fletcher's injury as a stick to beat monk with, it must have been hell for the poor souls when we were winning as lying in wait, dagger in hand, time can drag on seemingly endlessly.

looks like i'd forgot one small period, (thanks for reminding me) i did think i'd covered them all, but you've been fortunate if you've only endured 26 (measerly) years of utter despair. i recall (let's see) about about the mid 70's seeing a list of the then 92 clubs in the then fl, and taking an average of say 10 seasons where they stood against the other 91 with the then 10 season's results added together to offer a league position for the ten years. we were second bottom (91 out of 92) with thankfully southport (and we all know what happened to them) below us. no wonder they went under if they were worse than us.

or another way of putting it, since we lost our only effective forward.

sensible pricing that day?

did so at saltergate. remember playing the dings at jokewell, my colleague was a 'ding' and i asked him if they could hear us off that open topped kop of theirs. he replied "all we could hear was 'W-E-D-N-E-S-D-A-Y-, W-E-D-N-E-S-D-A-Y, W-E-D-N-E-S-D-A-Y' like a haunting sound in the ground".

i truly feel for you, as i personally know the journey you have endured. i remember well the old sky advert where andy gray is talking to the school boy saying "pick your team carefully, you'll support them all your life". i'm not sure if this is the 4th. or 5th. major slump in my time. relegation in 69, then to the third, nearly the 4th. then 2 promotions, relegation, promotion, relegation, relegation, promotion (i think that's it?) it looks like there's only been one more relegation than promotion, but nearly ALL the relegations could have been avoided with better club and team management other than bfr.

turner did fail, but he had done very well at hartlepool and you could see why wednesday fancied him, same too with wilson at jokewell. i cannot agree more with you that booth was 'like a carthorse' and my belief at the time was the dicanio money needed to be spent on a c/f. booth was a 7 goal a season man, and 3 of 'em in one game against bottom of the table bolton. BUT you called him 'THICK', now i don't personally know him, but it sounds like you personally do, care to enlighten us further on your experiences of him?

why did you have to post a piccy with a ford cortina on it? i had one, i had to bump start it in every county in england.

look, nobody with much sense would say things were going well at s6, they wouldn't even say they were average. thus perhaps the ones raising objections, and voicing concerns, some strongly, can see something to 'whinge' about at s6, this maybe nothing more than they know more about football than you do? because even the 'happy clappers' are struggling to find positives these days.

dicanio was (and nobody needs to be told this) a 'fantastically skilled player, BUT not a 'team' player. carlos was, and is a coach who with his career record should never have been interviewed by swfc for the head coach/manager's position. booth was 'a trier', but very limited (i feel it's a disgrace to call him 'some thick yorkshire lad'). as for turner, he came from hartlepool with a fantastic record, but few skills in depth,and left me wondering at the time who 'the brains' at hartlepool actually were,whilst wednesday's fanbase had huge expectations, but the club had 'pocket money' available to achieve those expectations. wilson was a success at jokewell, and was headhunted successfully by us, the problem was 'again' lack of money, and money unwisely spent on 'so called 'stylish' players that could have been spent on 'battlers' and a proven goalscorer. writing this has just made me recall (i think it's 2008) a man u. fan at work said to me (a few weeks short of easter) "you lot need to start winning, as were getting to the 'nitty gritty' part of the season when sides will be battling for points, and you've no battlers in your side" was it that year we'd been hammered 7-0 at old trafford? so obviously something had been seen in out team by other clubs and their supporters.

harry was a far better 'a manager' than danny wilson was, the 'gulf' was vast. dicanio, was, and is what he is, he'll likely never alter, but good strong/sensible management will handle him better than wednesday's 'car crash' approach did at the time. undoubtedly (for me) at the time a number of the better players in the side had little or no respect for wilson, i thought it may well have had dicanio as the ringleader. as for your comment on him being 'associated' with west ham than us, that's only because they have a far greater national standing and recognition than we have.

for me he weren't a 'full shilling' and that's why celtic got shut, he needed a proper manager, one he respected. bfr, not danny (the) boy.

proper manager at west aaam, v. bit of a lad giving it a go at hillsborough.

WOW! well done, I couldn't remember him making one in the opposition half.

he was good at 'jumping DOWN'.

it's a wonder coco didn't resign him, he'd have been his favourite player, does anyone remember jonk making an 'effective' pass?