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  1. sheffsteel

    What do YOU call Hillsborough?

    When I was a kid in the 70’s, almost all the old’uns called the ground “Owlerton”. Makes you wonder when the Hillsborough name took over from the Owlerton name.
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    Safe standing at Hillsborough

    The cost is roughly £1000 per seat and that includes the barrier, as this comes as part of the back rest with the seat. However an addition cost is that the concrete steps might need re-profiling to ensure the seats fit.
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    Safe standing at Hillsborough

    The Green Book Safety guide that’s used in Germany states that a 1 to 1.8 ratio is safe. Most clubs use that ratio with one German club using a 1 (seat) to 2 (standing) ratio. However at Celtic they use a 1 to 1 ratio and in the early days as it’s a trial I would expect England to insist on a trial 1 to 1 ratio. However if everything runs smoothly then you would quickly expect the ratio to be increased resulting in stadium capacities increasing. Although it’s not so simple to increase capacity because concourse areas/ toilets, catering facilities and exits would also need increasing.
  4. Didn’t say that. No one can predict anything really because no one knows the teams. Agree without Wilder United could struggle badly, depends on the new manager, the ownership battle and the mood amongst the fanbase. I think the most confident prediction you can make is that Wednesday will have a better season next year.
  5. United didn’t surpass expectations, anyone who saw them dominate league 1 knew they’d finish comfortably in the top half this season. The standard in the Championship isn’t that high really and again it wouldn’t be a big surprise to see United finish top half. They dominated possession most matches this season, had more shots and corners than the opposition most matches but really struggled putting away the half chances. Sometimes the difference between teams can be strikers and clinical finishing. However agree that the Wilder factor is very significant, so losing him could send United into a tail spin. Wednesday should comfortably finish top half but that was said this season and even before the injuries Wednesday were struggling. Its too early to make any predictions until you see what sales and purchases have been made. Will be interesting to see how FFP affects Wednesday, Chansiri may be forced to sell before he buys. Also interesting to see how the boardroom battle at Bramall Lane pan out, it’s almost like there’s a transfer embargo until ownership is sorted.
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    Safe standing petition

    Do yourself a favour. Type in “safe standing” in the google search engine . I also went to matches in the 70’s and 80’s but safe standing is totally different. Can understand the caution but that’s why the intention is “limited trial”. So let’s trial it and if your prediction is correct regards it encouraging crowd trouble then it’ll quickly stop. Can’t lose either way but at least give it a trial.
  7. sheffsteel

    Safe standing petition

    They were talking about safe standing on Talksport last week. They had a Liverpool fan ring up saying that they’ve had a group of their fans recently visit Celtics ground and they can confirm the visit was positive and in recent polls the vast majority of Liverpool fans want safe standing at Anfield. The presenters all said they can’t see any problems with safe standing and suggested that it would be really symbolic and possibly exorcise a few ghosts if the 1st major English stadium to have safe standing was Hillsboro. Would love to see it happen and I agree it would help lift the negative association Sheffield Wednesday have with the disaster where lives were lost.
  8. Fair enough, must admit I didn’t think the high ticket strategy at Hillsboro would work but to date it’s been a success. Personally for me the cut off is £30, just sounds a lot of money for a standard football match where entertainment is not gauranteed.
  9. But you genrally get what you pay for. Wednesday prospects, ambition and spending is much much higher than Uniteds, so you would expect crowds to be higher. Also the average difference in pricing is not over £10. United use their category A for nearly half the games, much more often than Wednesday. The cat A prices at Bramall Lane are £32 on the Kop to £36 on the South stand.
  10. It depends on definition of biggest club. Can be fan base, potential fan base, biggest away support, stadium size, trophies won, seasons in the top flight, seasons in Europe, finances, biggest transfers, most supporters clubs, biggest tv audiences, biggest twitter and YouTube followers etc. Also reputation and perceived size makes a difference and of course weighting should be given towards more recent history. Leeds United were big from 1965 to 1970, then they became massive from 71 to 76. They were crap in the 80’s but big again in the 90’s and early 00’s. Agree they’ve been crap again for the last 10 years but id say reputation is based on living memory. So anything from about 1960 is still significant and meaningful. In 20 years time Leeds United great team of the 70’s won’t mean much and they’ll need to create some new history to keep their reputation.
  11. Agree, these days it’s all about reputation, glamour of the PL. Leeds have a head start, the older guys in the media know how big Leeds were, so when they get back in the PL the media will be all over them. Unfortuately Sheffield isn’t percieved to be as glamourous as Leeds, it’s certainly not as wealthy, so has to work harder to improve its reputation. Also wonder how much of a negative effect the Hillsboro disaster has had towards Wednesdays image. Wednesday really need to get back in the PL as soon as possible to make the nation show any interest.
  12. These things are often decided on reputation and that’s gained through recent memories watching matches on tv. Leeds United fell really lucky as their success started when football started appearing on mainstream television. In the 70’s In was really fashionable to support Leeds United, they ended up with fans from all around the country and they still have those (older) fans. They even had quite a few traitors in Sheffield supporting Leeds United. Agree for a one club city their home support of 25K to 30K isn’t that good but a successful Leeds United could average 60,000. Also they still have massive respect from Man Utd, Leeds and Chelsea fans as Leeds were for many years their big rivals and on a par with those clubs. This side of the war Wednesday have never had the same prestige or reputation as Man Utd and Liverpool, whereas LUFC have. Most of the big Leeds United admirers are 50+, so if they don’t get promoted in the next 20 years their reputation will gradually get smaller and smaller.
  13. Don’t think anyone outside Sheffield would ever say Wednesday were bigger than Leeds United. Leeds United had a spell in the early 70’s of being one of the best club sides in world football. Also the potential support at Leeds puts them in the top 5 biggest clubs in England. Leeds have supporters all around the country and plenty of supporters clubs in Europe. Sky viewing figures show the audience is far bigger for Leeds matches than any other Chsmpuomship club. However Leeds United were a nothing club before 1964 Before 1964 Wednesday were a much bigger club than Leeds United for many decades. 1st Leeds United 2nd Wednesday 3rd United 4th Middlesboro (United traditionally bigger but Boro are catching up) 5th Huddersfield (mainly based on winning 3 titles in the 20’s and many seasons in the top flight). 6th Barnsley 7th Hull City 8th Bradford (good potential support but spent most of their history in the bottom 2 divisions) 9th Doncaster (traditionally slightly bigger than Rotherham) 10th Rotherham
  14. sheffsteel

    Should Chansiri put an offer on?

    Sorry, tried to edit my post, it seems Coventry gave away up to 14,000 free tickets to school kids, not 10,000. Its become a bit of a trend where lower division clubs have a Community day. Notts County had a similiar “fill the stadium” offer for their league match against Crewe Alexandra. They charged an even lower £2 for adult or children tickets bought in advance This offer ensured a fantastic gate of 17,274, their biggest home crowd for 24 years. Regards Chansiri doing something similiar, he’d probably say it’s not needed. Current capacity is 32K ish and gates are 25K at high prices. Hes tried the odd cheap ticket match and gates haven’t significantly increased. However if Wednesday went in league 1 and had gates down to 17K, then the occasional really cheap “fill the stadium” ticket match would be a great idea.
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    Should Chansiri put an offer on?

    That was designated a “Community day” match with the intention to fill their 32K stadium, the safety limit was set at 29K that day. Pricing was £5 if bought in advance for adults and children in all areas, The £10 was for tickets bought on the day. Alos in addition over 10,000 tickets were given away free to local schools. They managed to sell over 28,000 tickets in advance. The official gate was 28,343 however on the day, it seems most of those with free tickets failed to attend. The actual attendees was predicted to be 18K to 21K on the day.