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  1. True....you would need to approach the owners of PL clubs who currently make 120 mill a year plus about 70 million in parachute (relegation protection) payments Your business plan would need to convince the PL clubs that they will gain x, y and z if they allow the PL to increase from 20 clubs to 40 clubs, incorporating a new PL2 league. The only possibility of a PL2 is if there’s a major re-organisation forced on the PL because the big 6 leave to join a European super league....can’t see it happening though.
  2. The real problem is that PL and the EFL are 2 separate organisations that treat each other like competitors. Money is the driver behind everything. They have no interest in the bigger picture unless they have no choice.
  3. Remember the PL and the EFL answer to their membership clubs. Why would any PL club vote to lose their share of the tv money and give it to clubs in a PL2? Gartside concerns were the financial problems facing any relegated club but parachute payments were brought in for that. EFL clubs can’t decide to form a PL2...it must be agreed by the owners of the PL clubs and you would need to come up with a long list as to why it’s more beneficial to those clubs compared to now.
  4. The irony is that it’s the clubs themselves that collectively came up with these rules.....the governing bodies are there to try and enforce those rules.
  5. Years ago Bolton’s chairman suggested a PL2. He could see the financial gap getting bigger between the PL and EFL. There were concerns regards if a PL club was relegated then they would still be legally obliged to pay huge player contracts...meaning that club go into financial meltdown. At the tIme any PL club who thought they could possibly be relegated was interested in forming a PL2. However a new solution was found...that solution was parachute payments. This was democratically voted through because it offers several advantages to the PL and all the PL clubs. The competition is better with a higher standard towards the bottom. Newly promoted clubs...even small clubs are encouraged to spend and be competitive because even if they are immediately relegated they still receive funds to afford those contracts. Any relegated club isn’t forced to sell off all their best players so have a better chance to regain promotion at the first attempt. If clubs want a PL2....they would need to be able to persuade the other PL clubs why it would be such a positive for them. They would also need to come up with a business model regards who those PL clubs would receive more money if they are expected to share the PL millions with other clubs in PL2. Its seems impossible to expect any PL to vote through a PL2....when parachute payments achieves so much of what a PL2 would do. Championship clubs can’t just set up a PL2..only the PL can set up a PL2. Agree with some of the other comments....every club is self serving....it’s all about chasing money and to hell with football as a whole.
  6. On the EFS (European Football statistics) site it says 3 titles in the summary section but when you read through the actual seasons it is FOUR titles. Winners in 03, 04, 29 and 30.
  7. The EFL can’t just do what they want. They represent the clubs..trying to uphold and enforce the membership rules. Any new initiatives or improvements would need to be voted through by the clubs. Birmingham could ask other clubs to support them requesting a change regards FFP rules but it seems there’s currently not enough appetite to change the rules.
  8. You say Brighton have a history.....appreciate that you joined the league in 1921. You also say you’ve always had a decent support pre 2000. but let’s compare the facts regards Brighton’s history compared to Sheffield. Seasons in the top flight. Brighton 7 seasons, Blades 61, Owls 66. Seasons averaging over 25K. Brighton 8 seasons, Blades 20 season, Owls 33 seasons Seasons averaging over 30K. Brighton 3 seasons, Blades 9 seasons, Owls 11 seasons. Seasons averaging below 10K. Brighton 47 seasons, Blades 7 season, Owls 9 seasons. Think the last stat is the most telling. Brighton have completed 92 seasons in league football. So more than half of your history gates have failed to break 10,000. Also more than half of your history (55 seasons) has been in the 3rd tier, so historically not even a Championship club. Both Sheffield clubs have spent most of their histories in the top flight.
  9. However......stats are not linear History is obviously important regards the image of a club but current day and very recent history should always carry a bigger weighting. I suppose Brighton are creating their history now....good luck to em.
  10. It’s a common misconception that Forest are such a big club. Accept that winning the European Cup twice is massive but most of Forest’s history they’ve been (at best) firmly a middle sized club. Lets compare 3 clubs using the following stats. Seasons in the top flight, highest average attendance, number of seasons averaging over 25K, league titles win and FA cups won. Forest have been in the top flight 56, seasons, Blades 61 seasons, Owls 66 season. Forest best support ever averaged 32K, Blades 35K, Owls 42K Forest have averaged over 25K on 13 occasions, Blades 20 times, Owls 33 times Forest league titles = 1, Blades league titles = 1, Owls won the league 3 times. Forest have won the FA cup 2 times, Blades 4 times and Owls 3 times. Since 1971 Forest have only averaged over 25,000 for a total of 5 (five) seasons....that’s pretty poor support over the last 50 years. Regards Brighton they have no history...they've only ever completed 6 (six) seasons in the top flight.
  11. Statistics regards attendances can prove almost anything. However even the 1950’s attendances can be taken with a pinch of salt as many 1000’s of Sheffielders used to go to both grounds Many were general Sheffield football fans (with a preference for Owls or Blades) and attracted to the bigger match dependant on the opposition. Football changed again in the late 60’s/ early 70’s when television become popular. The successful teams of those periods received regular national coverage/ advertising. This explains why Leeds United timed their success to perfection picking up 10,000’s of extra fans all over the country. Football has changed again in the 2010’s with mass popularity of social media. Football has never been as popular. BUT it helps massively if you’re in the PL due to the world wide publicity.
  12. They’ve not released actual figures but reports suggest 24 to 25K. SU season tickets were suspended, taken off sale the day after Leeds lost to Brentford, about 2 week before the end of the season. They never went on sale again......the club said they’d already hit record numbers and under PL rules had to hold some back for general sale. Apparently PL rules states that clubs must have a cap on season ticket sales. History shows that usually whatever United do attendance wise then SW beat it by approx 10%- 15% SW would surely be averaging 35K ish in the top flight.. However of course much depends on pricing....there are options to watch matches for free....so pricing needs to be fair to entice fans.
  13. SAG might have something to say about that. Neutrals are banned from Bramall Lane. SUFC in consultation withSAG insist you must provide you address and be on the customer database, also must have a buying history of about 3 previous matches. Basically neutrals are obliged to go to cup matches first to build up loyalty points....which if they’re are not likely to do.
  14. You’ve correctly raised a point that the 30K stat is midleading but then you’ve given a misleading stat about Leeds United. In 1992 season league champions Leeds were building their big stand, so for most games capacity was just 30K, which they sold out. Whereas Hillsboro had a capacity of just over 40K in 1992.
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