malek Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Compare him to that Moore fella that played against Worksop, and he looks like a beast compared to Hirst. Still, physical built aint everything. It is shame for Hirsty that he is breaking through in time when we have 4 classy Championship strikers at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I say wait ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, wednesdayok said: Worked well for Michael Owen, Marcus Rashford, he's ready in my opinion Jesus Christ wednesdayok, You should know the golden rule at Wednesday by now, our strikers are'nt ready for 1st team action until they're 29. and then should be introduced slowly over 3 seasons. Edited July 12, 2017 by zzmdu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkowl Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 7 hours ago, Philb125 said: You're right - what's the worst that can happen.... Doesn't score, gets boo'd, leaves club, developes into international class striker, scores goals for england, leaves us wishing if only we'd developed him sensibly and got him there ourselves. Not saying he's ready or not. Just there are potential pitfalls to bringing youth in especially too early, in front of seasoned top quality players, with crowds demanding instant success. Wednesday fans would never demand instant success or indeed boo their own players. It is madness to even think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Lucas Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 7 hours ago, Philb125 said: You're right - what's the worst that can happen.... Doesn't score, gets boo'd, leaves club, developes into international class striker, scores goals for england, leaves us wishing if only we'd developed him sensibly and got him there ourselves. Not saying he's ready or not. Just there are potential pitfalls to bringing youth in especially too early, in front of seasoned top quality players, with crowds demanding instant success. I'm not convinced this is the case we wouldn't do such a thing would we ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightace Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Will Hirst ever be as good as Owen or Rashford? Can't say for definite but there's a very high chance he won't be. I'm all for giving him a chance but which of our top quality forwards is he actually better than atm? Probably not any of them really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Eightace said: Will Hirst ever be as good as Owen or Rashford? Can't say for definite but there's a very high chance he won't be. I'm all for giving him a chance but which of our top quality forwards is he actually better than atm? Probably not any of them really. HOW RUDDY DARE YOU You mean to tell me it's actually statistically probable he won't become a full England international? Such sacrilege simply cannot be accepted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightace Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I wouldn't put any money on it He's good but in the way Joao is good. Rashford and Owen are or were champion's league quality players. Stepping up from England under 18 or 21 is never guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUMBELOWS91 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 He's in the development squad- to develop. Absolutely no harm in him having another season in there. Becoming prolific in the reserves is exactly how many players of his age have developed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 5 hours ago, Eightace said: Will Hirst ever be as good as Owen or Rashford? Can't say for definite but there's a very high chance he won't be. I'm all for giving him a chance but which of our top quality forwards is he actually better than atm? Probably not any of them really. At a similar age Owen was terrorising defences domestically and internationally on the biggest stage - i don't think it's unreasonable to say he was probably the best and most coveted teenage player in the world back then Absolutely no comparison to Hirst really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppers Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 15 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: I'm sure those professional coaches who work with him day in, day out are best placed to make that call and will do so when the time is right. Look at you trying to bring common sense and intelligence to Owlstalk. You dreadful individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 1 minute ago, heppers said: Look at you trying to bring common sense and intelligence to Owlstalk. You dreadful individual. Thanks for noticing; it's my raison d'être. Well, that and spoof movie posters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl Rly Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Hirst is kind of problematic, I would love to see him develop further, but our group of strikers is the best in the division. Does he only have one year left on his contract? He will probably look to move on for his own development and future, I would love it if his development could be here, but again, unless we are tying him up on a long deal and then send him on loan, I've no idea how it will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 15 hours ago, wednesdayok said: Worked well for Michael Owen, Marcus Rashford, he's ready in my opinion And if he dosnt score in his first three games he will get more flack than Big Dave does ,and destroy is confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Carlos can't win. Starts Hirst, and everyone will be asking why he's leaving out Rhodes, hooper, Fernando, winnall or fletcher. Goes with experience and proven track records, and he's castigated for not giving youth a chance. He's certainly a very good footballer in his age range, but he's physically not ready for weekly championship football. And he's not ready to be ahead of at least 5 strikers in the first team. Needs to go on loan for a full season, get a dozen league 2 or 1 goals, come back with experience and be ready to push for a starting place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Internationowl Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 30 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Thanks for noticing; it's my raison d'être. Well, that and spoof movie posters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppers Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 7 hours ago, Internationowl said: A fair pair those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sleeping Giant Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I agree, if you're good enough you're old enough. I was on the kop when his Dad scored against Everton on his debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookieisdown Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 39 minutes ago, The Sleeping Giant said: I agree, if you're good enough you're old enough. I was on the kop when his Dad scored against Everton on his debut. No one is arguing he shouldn't be in the first team because he's too young. The argument is that he's not good enough. Not now; not at this stage of his devolopment. Were he to play in the champtionship now, he would struggle for lack of physical strength. It is not the fact that he is young; it is another fact about him, which is explained by his youth. As Basil Fawlty said, it's not a proposition from Wittgenstein, and it's slightly alarming that this point seems difficult to grasp. In due course, and perhaps before long, he will become good enough. It may very well be that at today's prices in four years' time he'll be a £50m+ striker. I think there's real prospects of that. But none of that is relevant to today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 49 minutes ago, The Sleeping Giant said: I agree, if you're good enough you're old enough. I was on the kop when his Dad scored against Everton on his debut. I also agree . He isn't good enough hence he won't get picked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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