Saxondale Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 9 minutes ago, Sonny said: Are you expecting our new centre back to play on a skateboard too or something? Maybe with a yo-yo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 48 minutes ago, swfc1983 said: Would any centre back radically change the dynamic of how we play though? No, and that's why I suggested we needed more. Not much more, but the type of players who could give us a more attacking approach Personally' there's no indication that Carlos's new attacking policy, is anything more than words. Using our attacking players in a negative way, seems to be integral to the teams effectiveness, if not it's entertainment value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Did any of you who were able to go to the Rangers friendly, see any signs of Carlos's new attacking approach? You would have thought we would have been perfecting this new way of playing during these warm up games, so what do people make of the new approach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike1867 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 9 hours ago, IstillhateSteveBould said: They always do give it to Bannan. It's easy, he's usually stood 5 yards away. Then he twists, turns and either gives it them back or tries a 50 yard diagonal. He should be the one 15/20 yards further forward, making an angle, then collecting it on the half turn ready to drive forward or move it on quickly. Never does it anymore. He'd rather come short for the easy ball. Then you get some of our fans saying silly things like "he ran the game" or "everything went through Bannan". Absolutely sums it up. If anyone can show me an example of Jones or Bannan getting beyond the strikers I'd be amazed. Quite simply if you play 4-4-2 you must have players capable of fulfilling multiple roles. So for example Kieran Lee going from defence to attack, Hooper linking play, full backs who get up and down the pitch, a centre half who can step out with the ball, wingers who can come in at the back post. 4-4-2 relies on this otherwise the 4 offensive players, 2 strikers/2 wingers just end up man for man against 2 centre halves/2 full backs. Somebody has to make that 5 against 5 or 6 against 6. You have to commit those who don't want to be in that tight defensive situation, the opposition centre mids. By doing that, you create space for your own midfield to create with extra time on the ball, you provide him with more targets and you create overloads. Its a very simple concept and without Kieran Lee, nobody in our central midfield is prepared to gamble and make a break into the box. I've never seen two midfielders in Jones and Bannan who receive the ball so much facing their own goal. I have no problem with any of them receiving the ball deep, but if the wide men are going to tuck in to create midfield targets, then the other CM has to be prepared to break the lines and support. Without KL we are seriously lacking that and we have been for some time. He is integral to playing 4-4-2 and if he is not fit then we need another similar player to maintain the system of play. Most would like to see FF out left, so play him there and whilst KL is out injured, put Adam Reach in at CM to use his energy and ability to break forward. We can't be any weaker in CM in a defensive capacity as we are with Jones and Bannan, so I don't think we would lose out much there, but I do think going forward you would see us nicking the ball and Reach looking to get beyond the play and break. He's done it before, I always cite Brum at home last year and Brizzle away. Better still, if we had got that tall rangey midfielder at lot have been asking for, we wouldn't have this perpetual problem with our inability to throw an extra man forward. Why have we not gone in with a good bid for Jackson Irvine, a player who scored 10 goals last season, playing as a predominantly defensive centre mid. Not only does he have the ability to get box to box, he would free up Hutchinson as a centre half and alleviate some of the pressure in finding a centre half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 9 hours ago, gurujuan said: Put Bannan wide left, that's his best position Or drop him. Bannan on the left is okay but in the games I've seen him play there he still wants to drop inside. If you've got someone like Wallace doing the same on the other wing then you've got to have some excellent full backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Spiksley Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 "Non-mega" Recycled guff thread!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 19 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: The two aren't mutually exclusive. We know the club were in for other centre backs last summer before Sasso signed. This is getting weird now. Note to self: never mention Sasso on Owlstalk again! All we know is Sasso was on loan, his loan spell with us finished, and then we signed him on a permanent 1-year contract after he was released from him club. We don't know whether Sasso was signing for us regardless of whether we got another centre back or not. Given we are after two this summer, yet only lost Sasso, it would make sense for us to have been after two last summer too. But we'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloxwich Owl Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Sunderland aim to bring ex-trainee Martyn Waghorn back to the club. The relegated Black Cats are trying to rebuild on a tight budget under new boss Simon Grayson. They need more firepower after the loss of Jermain Defoe and are weighing up a bid for Rangers hitman Waghorn. Waghorn, 27, scored 16 goals for the SPL club last season up north but only has 12 months left on his contract at Rangers. He remains popular at the Stadium of Light after starting his career there before a £3million transfer to Leicester in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 3 hours ago, Libertine said: Someone's put an offer in for Birminghams Ryan Shotton. Reckon it could be us? Was it a £100k offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 51 minutes ago, Geoffrey said: Was it a £100k offer? Do you have anything positive to say, ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sefton owl Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 3 hours ago, Rogerwyldesmullet said: We need Bougherra back or we will be bougherred where is he exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ReluctantNicko Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Centre-backs are in short supply for nearly EVERYONE - Burnley cannot replace Keane because the market is quiet and they have converted Charlie Taylor into an emergency central defender who could start in that position against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge on August 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) 48 minutes ago, ReluctantNicko said: Centre-backs are in short supply for nearly EVERYONE - Burnley cannot replace Keane because the market is quiet and they have converted Charlie Taylor into an emergency central defender who could start in that position against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge on August 12. That doesn't explain why we haven't brought in someone who brings energy to the midfield, and pace in forward areas. Both commodities were, by all accounts, still sadly lacking yesterday Edited July 31, 2017 by gurujuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 out of interest has Terry been playing pre-season for Villa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 How many of Carlos's signings have actually gone on to be a success? The core of our squad was built by Gray which is scary considering the amount he has had to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulcinella Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, modboy said: out of interest has Terry been playing pre-season for Villa? He played against Shrewsbury on July 15th (Villa lost 2-1) Walsall on July 18th (Villa drew 0-0) Duisburg on July 23rd 12pm (Villa won 3-0) But not against Hertha Berlin on July 23rd 3pm (Villa won 2-0) Edited July 31, 2017 by Pulcinella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Pulcinella said: He played against Shrewsbury on July 15th (Villa lost 2-1) Walsall on July 18th (Villa drew 0-0) Duisburg on July 23rd 12pm (Villa won 3-0) But not against Hertha Berlin on July 23rd 3pm (Villa won 2-0) Because he was playing against Duisburg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloxwich Owl Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Birmingham City transfer rumour: Blues offered Newcastle United defender BCFC linked with another defensive option. Birmingham City have been offered Newcastle defender Grant Hanley, according to reports. The Birmingham Mail’s sister paper the Newcastle Chronicle claims Newcastle are looking to off-load the Scotland international. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheriwozgod Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Hull City are the club after Ryan Shotton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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