Athelwulf Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Carlos hasn't done a bad job...it's just that at least four other managers have done a better one, and Wagner is one of them. He'd be top of my list if 'Udders fail in the final. There's no doubt that we've missed Hooper, but with the array of talent we have up front should we be so dependent on one player? Compare our forwards with Town's; had Wagner had them then probably 'Udders would have got automatic. If we're honest, had Hooper not returned we'd probably have missed out on the play-offs altogether. And even had we won tonight, without him in the final we'd probably have lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 hour ago, RockieOwl said: I'm not sure why the OP is getting so much stick. Two months ago it was hard to find a Carlos fan. I got negged to roger for sticking up for him after the reading match. But questions need to be asked. Why are we not playing as well? Why are the new players not being played or being brought in for loads of money? Why did we get outplayed by Huddersfield? I'm not sure if he should go or not but Chansiri will have similar questions I'm sure In a word, Hooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Look I don't care if anyone has ago but our tactics over 2 legs were far too negative we had 3 shots in 210 mins against a fairly average team why didn't winnall come on? Why nuhiu crazy. I was going to have a go at Carlos about penalty takers but he said Rhodes refused to take one if that's so plz cancel his contract now.to me we have never had a better chance to go up and it's been blown. We know next season be a job just to get top half with villa derby Norwich etc all will be top 6 and teams coming down , ffp will also now kick in so be no chucking cash like this season .really upset but kinda used to it .was always going to end this way . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Horse Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I'd have loved Carlos to get us up. Wonderful human. But the last few months have masked what should've been a foregone conclusion - automatic. We have an embrassment of riches going forward and yet we are more concerned with the defensive side. Bullshiittte. He's gone. We know it. Just hope the new guy releases the shackles and fux over the pigggies in the process. End of term report: Not good enough.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hazza88 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 39 minutes ago, Lee A said: Might be an overreaction but the 2 legs of the semi final were exactly the same as the final last season. I like Carlos, but the fact is that in the biggest games we've played we simply aren't turning up,. Getting close is fine, but going out with such a gutless whimper is not. Negative, defensive approach in the first leg was understandable, but not today, We're still in the championship, and we deserve to be. Exactly this! My old man doesn't watch us much these days but that was what he said to the point! Its like we're playing hull again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballmeist Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 40 minutes ago, Dan™ said: You can sense the enjoyment pouring out of you with that sentence. Clearly not a Wednesday fan, or an incredibly twisted one. I don't get any enjoyment out of it but I'd like someone to present a reasoned argument as to why Carlos should stay. In particular I'd like them to point out how they think we've progressed in the last year because i just can't see it. and for the record I thought this before today's game and even posted about it earlier this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belfast owl lad Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 the guy is simply out of his depth,shut the door on your way out carlos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gateford_Owl Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Awful end to what has honestly been a tiring season. We've been God awful to watch for 95% of the time this season and you just cannot keep playing defensively, playing the percentages and hoping you get the breaks. Carlos has took us as far as he can and I thank him for his efforts...but I won't shed a tear when he goes. The right manager with just a couple of tweaks would have had this squad pushing the top two. The fact we've just looked second best (twice) to a Huddersfield team put together on a shoestring (same budget as Rotherham) is purely down to Carlos and his negative tactics. This was a huge opportunity to get back to the big time...and Carlos blew it. Bye bye Carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 47 minutes ago, Owl247 said: No point fans slating each other and trying to score points, truth is over 2 legs we didn't deserve to win and that is down to tactics, not players. Reading and huddersfield do not have better players/squads than us but they have more tactically aware managers than we do. I really appreciate what CC has done for us but he cannot take us that final step. Nail on head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Ballmeist said: Thanks for everything, all the best! Huddersfield fully deserved to go through over the two legs. We were second best right the way through. Looking forward to hearing what all the happy clappers have to say now! A Really Big Kuck Foff we don't need you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopswfc76 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 26 minutes ago, Ballmeist said: I don't get any enjoyment out of it but I'd like someone to present a reasoned argument as to why Carlos should stay. In particular I'd like them to point out how they think we've progressed in the last year because i just can't see it. and for the record I thought this before today's game and even posted about it earlier this morning. Err 2 positions higher and more points than last season. In anybodys book that's progress and I believe that's 6 consecutive seasons of progression so I'm more than happy with that. Still gutted we haven't turned up tonight though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Still baffled why he switched from last seasons high energy, pressing, attacking football, to the mind numbing negative debacles of this season. We looked no more likely to go up, and had a significantly better squad. It's for this reason that sentiment has to be put aside, and he should be allowed to rejoin his family in Portugal with our thanks and his dignity intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWAW1867 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 The amount of drama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 he tried something different with essentially the same squad got several more points but no one can say it's been a pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 If we are to keep Carlos...and on balance we probably should...then we'll need better players, and that's down to Chansiri. Carlos has tried to do a Karanka, and it's not worked. It's just not his game. He's done that because he doesn't think we're good enough to do it any other way. He thinks that playing open attacking football - unless you're parachute - leaves you too exposed. I've criticized Carlos this season, but do we want Pardew? Chansiri will have to find a way of increasing our spending capacity, so Carlos can play his natural game. And we'd benefit once promoted. Knee-jerk reactions rarely turn out for the good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Hate to say it.. But sir you are a cnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 hour ago, siggi jonsson said: 1-0 up and just sat back terrible Actually I thought we played some of our best football when we were 1-0 up. Their goal seemed to knock the stuffing out of us however and we played a little deeper after that. TBH though if we can't beat a team like Huddersfield over two hours with home advantage, we can't complain about missing out on promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortlandOwl Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Yep, goodbye. Another club to add to his list of two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shez owl Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 There's no need to have a go at him, he came in as an unknown, in a strange country without friends or family and transformed our fortunes. He deserves respect and gratitude, but yes his time is at an end time for a new chapter and for someone to take the glory he started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 31 minutes ago, Athelwulf said: If we are to keep Carlos...and on balance we probably should...then we'll need better players, and that's down to Chansiri. Carlos has tried to do a Karanka, and it's not worked. It's just not his game. He's done that because he doesn't think we're good enough to do it any other way. He thinks that playing open attacking football - unless you're parachute - leaves you too exposed. I've criticized Carlos this season, but do we want Pardew? Chansiri will have to find a way of increasing our spending capacity, so Carlos can play his natural game. And we'd benefit once promoted. Knee-jerk reactions rarely turn out for the good. Sorry mate. Look at the two sides and benches tonight. Give Carlos billions and they would be wasted and sat benched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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