elyowl1 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Fibonacci91 said: I do not think you can base a decision on last season. Who would you play Friday. Based on their form for Wednesday this season and in the formation that we generally play? I cannot believe that anyone would say Abdi. Of course nobody would say Abdi he is out for the season injured and has been for the vast majority of the season. and in the formation we generally play 442 then assuming all players fully fit I would go for Hutch and Lee in the middle . Change the formation I would change the players I would pick as would everybody else. Im trying to have a reasoned conversation here , Yes I accept that Abdi has not performed to expectations but I would say that has been due to injuries and when first started playing in a position he didn't want to. Would I pick Bannan on Friday ? Yes he has the shirt and his current form suggests he should keep it however he's certainly not been as good this season as last year. Finally if you are asking me to say who is the better player if both are fully fit then it's a horses for courses choice as both play a slightly different role , in some instances you would pick Bannan and others Abdi that's why we have a squad. 442 Bannan arguably , go to a midfield three and want one to be attacking its Abdi but that's my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci91 Posted April 12, 2017 Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, elyowl1 said: Of course nobody would say Abdi he is out for the season injured and has been for the vast majority of the season. and in the formation we generally play 442 then assuming all players fully fit I would go for Hutch and Lee in the middle . Change the formation I would change the players I would pick as would everybody else. Im trying to have a reasoned conversation here , Yes I accept that Abdi has not performed to expectations but I would say that has been due to injuries and when first started playing in a position he didn't want to. Would I pick Bannan on Friday ? Yes he has the shirt and his current form suggests he should keep it however he's certainly not been as good this season as last year. Finally if you are asking me to say who is the better player if both are fully fit then it's a horses for courses choice as both play a slightly different role , in some instances you would pick Bannan and others Abdi that's why we have a squad. 442 Bannan arguably , go to a midfield three and want one to be attacking its Abdi but that's my opinion Mate you seem like a reasonable guy, there are plenty of people saying that they would pick Abdi based on form for Wednesday this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elyowl1 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Fibonacci91 said: Mate you seem like a reasonable guy, there are plenty of people saying that they would pick Abdi based on form for Wednesday this season. We have a large squad and assuming that all players were injury free we could all pick a different first eleven and give a good argument to how we picked that team and formation. Assume we went 4231 playing two holding midfielders I could reasonably argue we play Semedo and Hutchinson vs some teams with FF Abdi and Matias as the three behind Fletcher . You may have a different opinion as will all the others reading this comment it's not right or wrong it's just a formation which could suit some of the players we have at our disposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 48 minutes ago, Fibonacci91 said: I do not think you can base a decision on last season. Who would you play Friday. Based on their form for Wednesday this season and in the formation that we generally play? I cannot believe that anyone would say Abdi. Be a hell of a risk playing Abdi due to his injury. Based on that I would agree with you and leave him out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 hour ago, TheEnchanter said: You are reyt weird. And he knows Jack about football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewsburyowl58 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Fibonacci91 said: I agree we haven't seen enough of him, and that actually he could be world class, but to say right now that he should be playing over Bannan, to say he has looked a class act and has ran games for us, simply isn't true. I've not said any of that have I ? But you question Abdi who in my opinion is a class player and im going on what I have seen when playing for us not because of what he did or didn't do at Watford or wherever or whatever his transfer fee was , I for one want to see him have a good run in the first team and see where we go from there . Don't you ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichSheffWeds Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Fibonacci91 said: Surely the obbsession with Abdi is simply a case of our fans wanting our big image big money signing to do well so they are telling themselves that he 'runs games' and 'looks a class act.' Surely fans are pretending that this is happening because thats what they want to be happening. I havnt seen a single positive moment, barring an admittedly great goal, in his 6 or 7 appearances. I'd like someone to point me towards 5 positive moments other than the goal. Point out match and minute of said "positive moment" and I will watch back. Odds on favourite this is Neil inventing another nutjob poster. No one in real world posts the poo this guy has come up with in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgyowl Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Cant wait to see him fully fit i think when he does come back firing on all cylinders we'll have a cracking player i still have every confidence in his ability, we have a little gem we just need to be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningaround Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 6 hours ago, Fibonacci91 said: I cannot comment on this performance. I was not at this match. Regardless, I have seen him 6 or 7 other times and he has been nothing short of poor on every single level. Taking into account a very positive performance against Forest, I do not think he has shown anywhere near enough to suggest he should be starting for Wednesday at the moment. blade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 6 hours ago, Fibonacci91 said: Surely the obbsession with Abdi is simply a case of our fans wanting our big image big money signing to do well so they are telling themselves that he 'runs games' and 'looks a class act.' Surely fans are pretending that this is happening because thats what they want to be happening. I havnt seen a single positive moment, barring an admittedly great goal, in his 6 or 7 appearances. I'd like someone to point me towards 5 positive moments other than the goal. Point out match and minute of said "positive moment" and I will watch back. I think therein lies yer answer mate...We are giving him the "6 or 7" games then....Such as Sterland, Hirst, Smith, Bannister..took over a f.ookin' season to click....but just the 6 or 7 for Abdi then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Finlux_Cup said: This Fibonacci di.ck is a Watford fan. Finlux has got your number Fibonacci...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 The Abdi we have seen is not the same as the one I saw at Watford, for whatever reason. He has had some brief spells but on the whole he has been dissapointing and a bit of an invisible man in the middle of the park. Not what I expected for a few million anyway. Hopefully whatever the issue has been it clears up for next season as he looked excellent at Watford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Just now, Bluesteel said: The Abdi we have seen is not the same as the one I saw at Watford, for whatever reason. He has had some brief spells but on the whole he has been dissapointing and a bit of an invisible man in the middle of the park. Not what I expected for a few million anyway. Hopefully whatever the issue has been it clears up for next season as he looked excellent at Watford. I haven't seen enough of him, ..whatever the reason, ..its daft to make a decision on a few games....I mean, we're not doing it with Rhodes are we? Players take time....and they need to play games....You can argue Abdi has had the time, but he's spent most of that offa the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: I haven't seen enough of him, ..whatever the reason, ..its daft to make a decision on a few games....I mean, we're not doing it with Rhodes are we? Players take time....and they need to play games....You can argue Abdi has had the time, but he's spent most of that offa the pitch I've seen enough to be able to say he isn't what I had been expecting though after a decent debut. I suspect he hasn't been fully fit whilst also being shoe horned into a team shape that didn't work initially, we then abandoned that and went back to last seasons midfield with Hutchinson in there and it limited places even further. Whilst the fee we paid for him isn't his issue, when you pay that you've obviously got the idea from somewhere that he will come in and play regularly. Perhaps he just isn't the kind of player that takes games by the scruff of the neck, which is what I think we need at times. I'm not saying he isn't a good player because he has shown that previously elsewhere, but you have to be able to fit into a team and I think he has been a bit of a victim in that regard but he hasn't always forced the manager to select him with some performances either. He's obviously got great technique but has just seemed a bit passive in the games I've seen. Re Rhodes I think the same applies. Quality player but needs to be able to fit into the side. I think having Hooper or Fletcher as a partner may help him and stop him from being the target man. Edited April 12, 2017 by Bluesteel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I bet you're one of those who thinks Matias is amazing aren't you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewsburyowl58 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 6 hours ago, Fibonacci91 said: Jesus someone actually said something reasonable...i salute you sir. So my comments aren't reasonable ? What exactly is your beef with Abdi ? Where have you read that he has run a game and should be picked ahead of BB ? Are you trying to say you think Abdi is a good player but have been disappointed with him so far ? The disappointment I have over Abdi is he has hardly ever played it is plain to see he is a good player are you doubting this ? Don't really know , like a lot of others why you picked out Abdi he has been injured , coming back from injury and hardly ever match fit like a few players this season , give him a chance before you slate him surely ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 3 hours ago, RichSheffWeds said: Odds on favourite this is Neil inventing another nutjob poster. No one in real world posts the poo this guy has come up with in this thread. I do...but I seem to get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 My obsession with him is pure and simple, he was signed for big money, he is a massive upgrade on anything with have in midfield, he is proven at premiership and international level. I would love nothing more than ti see him reproduce that form and show us all the player we know he can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosbyKitchens Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Absolutely quality player. When fit he is head and shoulders ahead of Bannan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 17 hours ago, Fibonacci91 said: Surely the obbsession with Abdi is simply a case of our fans wanting our big image big money signing to do well so they are telling themselves that he 'runs games' and 'looks a class act.' Surely fans are pretending that this is happening because thats what they want to be happening. I havnt seen a single positive moment, barring an admittedly great goal, in his 6 or 7 appearances. I'd like someone to point me towards 5 positive moments other than the goal. Point out match and minute of said "positive moment" and I will watch back. You want banning from all things that concern Sheffield Wednesday!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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