Southie_Owl Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 The West Ham and villa ones were expensive flops. Only Bent made financial sense as he kept them up and then sold him on for more. Ireland is not a regulator in the Stoke first team. He's meade 13 league appearances this season. In total in 2 seasons he's made 24 starts and 15 subs. Wouldn't cal 24/70 ish starts a first team regular. Even your better example of Rozehnal has played 1/3 of his games for Lille from the bench and he didn't even play 30 games for Lazio. We all know the French league isn't great too. I also said with the exception of Newcatle. It's west ham, Norwich and Villa if he had an Input which is concerning. There isn't any denying the majority of his transfers were flops. Rozenhal made 38 appearances for Lazio in just over 1 year. An Italian league season is only 34 games. Even if he was a sub for a top team in Serie A then £3m sounds alright to me. Plus he's had 60 caps for Czech Republic! And as for french football, yeah I hope we don't sign any players from that pub league (are you serious?). You seem to be overlooking the fact that players like Duff & James went on to be premier league appearance legends, James became the England goalkeeper! Martins was a good striker signed from inter milan, Hutton is still getting a place at right back in the premier league, N'Zogbia was a top winger at the time he was signed. I could go on but can't be bothered. I just feel you are looking at the signings more negatively than is justified. But I haven't looked into the flops he signed for Norwich so I can't comment on those but if he brings the caliber of player to us that you've listed I personally won't be complaining. I will be expecting Gray to do a good job at coaching them, like other managers did with most of the players in your list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arithmetic Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) The West Ham and villa ones were expensive flops. Weren't Hutchison, James and Repka part of the team that finished 7th in the Premier League? Next season they didn't spend anything. I doubt that was Roeder's choice. Edited April 21, 2015 by arithmetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beatpusher Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 his Norwich signings weren't particularly bad.... Matthew Bates (loan), David Bell, Ryan Bertrand (loan) Mo Camara (loan), Sammy Clingan, Carl Cort Ched Evans (loan) Kieran Gibbs (loan), Jonathan Grounds (two loan spells) James Henry (loan), Wes Hoolahan John Kennedy (loan), Omar Koroma (loan) Lita Leroy (loan), Arturo Lupoli (loan) Elliott Omozusi (loan) Matty Pattison (loan to permanent), Alex Pearce (loan) Maceo Rigters (loan) Antoine Sibierski (loan), Dejan Stefanovic Martin Taylor (loan) Juan Velasco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcclesallOwl Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Oh ffsChed It's going to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocksyuto Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 The westham days werent very good but they were run poorly for a few years even dipping into the championship, they have only just in the past 2-3 years become more competitive and active in the transfer market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbieOwler Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) All loan signings, Nowt ain't gonna change then? his Norwich signings weren't particularly bad.... Matthew Bates (loan), David Bell, Ryan Bertrand (loan) Mo Camara (loan), Sammy Clingan, Carl Cort Ched Evans (loan) Kieran Gibbs (loan), Jonathan Grounds (two loan spells) James Henry (loan), Wes Hoolahan John Kennedy (loan), Omar Koroma (loan) Lita Leroy (loan), Arturo Lupoli (loan) Elliott Omozusi (loan) Matty Pattison (loan to permanent), Alex Pearce (loan) Maceo Rigters (loan) Antoine Sibierski (loan), Dejan Stefanovic Martin Taylor (loan) Juan Velasco Edited April 21, 2015 by RobbieOwler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Obviously give Roeder a chance, he's here now and nothing is going to change that any time soon. He hasn't had a good managerial career and posters keep getting jumped on because they say they don't like him. He's brought in to recruit and not manage. Hopefully will will also do well with the youth side of things. Anyway here's his past recruitment history Roeders player recruitment history Aston Villas as a scout 2010 Villa Struggled and sacked their manager Stephen Ireland 8M Charles N'Zogbia 9.5M Alan Hutton 5M Darren Bent 18M Say Given 3.5M (for a past it 35 year old) West Ham as manager 2001 Don Hutchinson 5M Tomas Repka 5.5M David James 3.5M Les Ferdinand (was 36 and past it) Lee Bowyer (played 10 games) Also lots of frees that didn't do anything or go anywhere afterwards and not heard of most. Newcastle as manager 2006 Obafemi Martins 10M Damien Duff 5M Antonine Sibierski 2M Oliver Bernard free Mark Viduka free Geremi free David Rozehnal 3M Norwich as manager 2007 He brought in many lower league flops that didn't nothing, however he did get Wes Hoolohan for 250k This goes to show that's on the whole he has recruited pretty poorly with probably the exception of Newcastle. Paid over the odds in later years for some very average players. He's also been out the game 5 years is other people's argument. This post isn't to put Roeder down. It's just to show a fairer argument and another reason why some fans are a bit sceptical and unenthused by his appointment. So there you have it, surely other posters can now understand where there isn't huge positivity about this one appointment. Just seems any slightly negative mention on here gets put down with no real facts to back it up During Glen Roeder's time at Vicarage Road he signed Kevin Phillips from local Hertfordshire team,Baldock Town for only £10,000. Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHUowl Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Leaving at the end of the 2015/16 season as per Wednesday's press release...? That's what I was referring to. I'll be more direct in future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 He didn't sign Voduka, Rozenhal, Geremi etc for Newcastle. That was Sam Alladyce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob1601 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 actually think Adam pearson said it was pete who did the introduction and as it happen the interpretation in that interview http://www.theempireasia.com/popup_Pro_Pete.html The man who helped Shinawatra flog Man City to the Arabs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ellis Rimmer Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Rozenhal made 38 appearances for Lazio in just over 1 year. An Italian league season is only 34 games. Even if he was a sub for a top team in Serie A then £3m sounds alright to me. Plus he's had 60 caps for Czech Republic! And as for french football, yeah I hope we don't sign any players from that pub league (are you serious?). You seem to be overlooking the fact that players like Duff & James went on to be premier league appearance legends, James became the England goalkeeper! Martins was a good striker signed from inter milan, Hutton is still getting a place at right back in the premier league, N'Zogbia was a top winger at the time he was signed. I could go on but can't be bothered. I just feel you are looking at the signings more negatively than is justified. But I haven't looked into the flops he signed for Norwich so I can't comment on those but if he brings the caliber of player to us that you've listed I personally won't be complaining. I will be expecting Gray to do a good job at coaching them, like other managers did with most of the players in your list People expect a manager to make FM style transfers, buy so and so for £350k and sell him for £30m to be a success. Ridiculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I'm guessing these boys will decide a general approach to how we move forward so that on the current trend of firing managers we can do that without it creating the need for a whole new recruitment plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy87shef Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Weren't Hutchison, James and Repka part of the team that finished 7th in the Premier League? Next season they didn't spend anything. I doubt that was Roeder's choice. Then they got relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richowl Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Some dosh spent there, before he even starts on the playing side... Hearing Desso Pitch is costing way more than they bargained for... How long before fish boy wants out ?? Pearson's only doing what Wendys thrive on...Massaging that 'Massive' ego of theirs... It's a good watch fromthe sidelines. not has funny as watching the gruntbags flounder around league 1 eh! Edited April 21, 2015 by richowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 He didn't sign Voduka, Rozenhal, Geremi etc for Newcastle. That was Sam Alladyce. Duff, Martins, Sibierski, Bernard They're his Newcastle signing. Can't be bothered to check the other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy87shef Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 He didn't sign Voduka, Rozenhal, Geremi etc for Newcastle. That was Sam Alladyce. That's my bad teen, I just took it from soccer base for the year he was in charge. I do kinda remember Alladyce bringing in Viduka from Boro come to think of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcclesallOwl Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I'm glad they enjoy watching us from the sidelines cause we're enjoying it as well That's not even mentioning watching them from the sidelines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 not has funny as watching the gruntbags flounder around league 1 eh! I saw that one. They're already trying to kid themselves that the owner wants out because the pitch might be a bit more expensive. No ones held a gun to his head and made him appoint two new advisors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy87shef Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Rozenhal made 38 appearances for Lazio in just over 1 year. An Italian league season is only 34 games. Even if he was a sub for a top team in Serie A then £3m sounds alright to me. Plus he's had 60 caps for Czech Republic! And as for french football, yeah I hope we don't sign any players from that pub league (are you serious?). You seem to be overlooking the fact that players like Duff & James went on to be premier league appearance legends, James became the England goalkeeper! Martins was a good striker signed from inter milan, Hutton is still getting a place at right back in the premier league, N'Zogbia was a top winger at the time he was signed. I could go on but can't be bothered. I just feel you are looking at the signings more negatively than is justified. But I haven't looked into the flops he signed for Norwich so I can't comment on those but if he brings the caliber of player to us that you've listed I personally won't be complaining. I will be expecting Gray to do a good job at coaching them, like other managers did with most of the players in your list See now you're twisting my words. There are many better nations than france. England, Germany, Italy, Spain etc. it's a decent market to get players from, I never said it wasn't. Never said we shouldn't buy players from there, just another example of someone changing what a poster says. My point was the quality of the French league and the majority of olayers that they bring in are nowhere near as strong as a lot of other European nations. With the exception of PSG. Rozehnal doesn't matter now as I was mistaken who brought him to the club however it does back up my point that he ended up back in France relatively quickly. You can't go on because that's where the list ends. They got ripped off for N'Zogbia who was a decent player in a poor/average Wigan side. Not sure if I said it in my first post but think I said James was a good signing. It was the rest of the West Ham, Norwich and players that went to Villa I was on about. Martins couldn't get in the Milan team (not surprisingly considering the completions though), he wasn't exaclty brilliant for 10M which at the time was a heck of a lot of money. As for Hutton, villa wanted rid for years and he had loan spells, it just so happens now they don't have a right back or are willing to spend money so he has to play. So to repay you couldn't go on and on because I said the 'majority' of his signings for West Ham, Norwich and potentially villa were poor, which they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Ive never been Grays biggest fan but if in the future he was sacked and replaced by Roeder i would be devastated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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