markg Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Like the majority of scousers, he should be banned from speaking 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 He's just a tiresome bore. Look, there are some crap women pundits out there, much there's some rubbish male pundits out there. For the life of me I can't understand though why some supposed blokey blokes getting wound up and cry about it though. I though the whole "woke" thing was originally about getting offended and overreacting to everything? Well, isn't Joey being woke and a bit of a snowflake with this latest meltdown? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, SiJ said: He's just a tiresome bore. Look, there are some crap women pundits out there, much there's some rubbish male pundits out there. For the life of me I can't understand though why some supposed blokey blokes getting wound up and cry about it though. I though the whole "woke" thing was originally about getting offended and overreacting to everything? Well, isn't Joey being woke and a bit of a snowflake with this latest meltdown? Brilliantly said. He talks crap. In an interview about this he said that you don't have to have played at the top level or even played to be able to be a good commentator or pundit. Just need to have worked hard to get there. He cited Mark Chapman (who is excellent imo) and Rory Smith. Well, Alex Scott has a degree in broadcasting and played the game to a higher level than Chapman or Smith. And he's said that she shouldn't be involved. Chris Kamara, who seems entertaining and a smashing bloke, offers little insight and made a career on Sky of being the 'lovable idiot'. If that had being a woman, she'd have been getting pelters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Joey now doubling/trebling/quadrupling down on Twitter There definitely are some weak female pundits and commentators who are only their to check a box - that’s obvious Equally there are also some weak male pundits and commentators only their because they’re a name Both are inadequate. Joey going full Andrew Tate on this topic isn’t really needed, and it’s actually detracting from a wider discussion about representation vs capability - both have pros and cons Looks like Joey will soon become the next LeTiss, Curran, Beholder, David Cotterill etc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 I always think pundits like Jamie Redknapp, Jamie Carragher and Ian Wright are a bit impertinent offering opinions on substitutions etc when they have never put they neck on the line to be a manager. Similar way I think to women pundits, they have never played mens football to an elite level so they are lacking a bit of insight into what it's really like. The pace, the power and the pressure of the mens games. I am not outraged though that we have women pundits and would not switch off when they have women pundits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 It's strange that often people that say women shouldn't commentate / offer punditry on the men's game because it's a different game also whinge when old pundits seem to be pensioned off. They too played a different game to how it's played now, so surely it's only fair that they are binned off too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 He's doing it on purpose, he's a ******** in general but more engagement = more pay from Elon on X Also he's trying to remain important in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde2005 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) to be fair i watched his interview on youtube with piers and just about every comment agreed with him .. the problem with barton though and he does make a good point ive made the same point before is that barton is the biggest idiot in football ever his cv for vile actions is as long as chansiris for been stupid . he has a screw loose and im saying all this yet he is mostly in the right regards his point . Edited December 8, 2023 by Hyde2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffield_dave Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 The problem with “played at the top level” as a qualifier for speaking about football in public is that a lot of current pundits and ex-professionals are on shakier ground than they think they are. I once read a tactical analysis of Pep’s Barcelona side at the height of their powers on BBC Sport by.. Martin Keown. Pull the other one. Remembering Joey Barton’s career I’m not sure what insight I’m supposed to get from him that we couldn’t from anyone else (maybe even a woman!), other than how to get relegated, kicked out of a club or otherwise alienate yourself for being a c*nt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1867owl Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Surely everyone understands that he's solely doing this to drum up business for his podcast though, yeah? These aren't just 'random and controversial Joey Barton musings' that have come out of nowhere. He even mentions it in every other Tweet ffs. Every person that talks about this is just playing into his hands and drumming up business for him. He's engineered it all to perfection - everyone's bitten in a massive way, and his podcast is gonna get 100 x the listens than it would've done otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffield_dave Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 I’m not sure “serial arsehole says something ridiculous” is quite the marketing zinger you think it is. Then again shouting “WOKE” on Twitter at everything you’re too stupid to understand seems to carry a following so maybe you’re right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogbob Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 4 hours ago, 1867owl said: Surely everyone understands that he's solely doing this to drum up business for his podcast though, yeah? These aren't just 'random and controversial Joey Barton musings' that have come out of nowhere. He even mentions it in every other Tweet ffs. Every person that talks about this is just playing into his hands and drumming up business for him. He's engineered it all to perfection - everyone's bitten in a massive way, and his podcast is gonna get 100 x the listens than it would've done otherwise. He's totally grifting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1867owl Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 8 hours ago, sheffield_dave said: I’m not sure “serial arsehole says something ridiculous” is quite the marketing zinger you think it is. Then again shouting “WOKE” on Twitter at everything you’re too stupid to understand seems to carry a following so maybe you’re right. You're mad if you don't see what he's doing here. He's just going down the Laurence Fox road and has obviously made a decision that he'll make more money doing this than working in football. It couldn't be clearer. And it absolutely is the marketing zinger I think it is. Everyone's gone absolutely mental about it. Perfect for him. He's literally goading people with every Tweet he writes and keeps dropping in mentions of his podcaat - this hasn't just come out of nowhere. Expect him to be a regular on GB News within a month and switch his attentions to Megan Markle and vaccinations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Hayes added that she wanted to "accentuate the positive contributions" of women in sport and highlighted that females working in other professions would not face the same scrutiny. "We wouldn't go into a hospital and have a female physician who's carrying out a surgical procedure on someone's kidney - we wouldn't turn around and say to that surgeon 'I hope she's a good patient because being a good patient means you're going to be a good doctor'. "It's the same about being a great banker - does that mean you have to be a frugal spender to be a good banker? "Much in the same way, do you have to be a well-travelled passenger to be a good pilot?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screen Door Slams Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Here`s a thought.....................how about we give the presenter / pundit roles to PEOPLE who are good at it instead of box ticking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 His post this morning is breathtaking. https://x.com/joey7barton/status/1733427897937940956?s=46&t=WekYGmah2fUS2qKcDFOekg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogbob Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 16 minutes ago, Ever the pessimist said: His post this morning is breathtaking. https://x.com/joey7barton/status/1733427897937940956?s=46&t=WekYGmah2fUS2qKcDFOekg Its full weirdo that. I'm not even going to try and discuss or deconstruct it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteG_1984 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 22 hours ago, matthefish2002 said: I always think pundits like Jamie Redknapp, Jamie Carragher and Ian Wright are a bit impertinent offering opinions on substitutions etc when they have never put they neck on the line to be a manager. Similar way I think to women pundits, they have never played mens football to an elite level so they are lacking a bit of insight into what it's really like. The pace, the power and the pressure of the mens games. I am not outraged though that we have women pundits and would not switch off when they have women pundits. I don’t necessarily agree, but that penultimate paragraph is true. I’m not sure why Joey Barton has decided to pick a fight with Laura Woods, Bianca Westwood et al or call people eunuchs. But his point (which is lost in all his bluster) is that women can’t offer the same insight into the men’s game, any more than a male who has never played pro-football can. I couldn’t really give a monkeys, but it’s a point I’d like to see sensibly debated more rather than having to pick between the Anti-Woke maniacs and the Cancel Culture enthusiasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 While ever Paul Merson is wheeled out on a Saturday afternoon you can’t criticise any female pundit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wall Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 4 hours ago, Ever the pessimist said: His post this morning is breathtaking. https://x.com/joey7barton/status/1733427897937940956?s=46&t=WekYGmah2fUS2qKcDFOekg Just put Soccer Saturday on now. Presenter - middle aged white man. In the studio: Tim Sherwood - middle aged white man Clinton Morrison - middle aged black man Michael Dawson - middle aged white man Sue Smith - WOMAN Ref - middle aged white man Football league managers - >90% middle aged white men Hardly a takeover is it? I get that Barton is being controversial for the sake of his podcast. Although even by his standards, bringing race into it after what his brother did is really poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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