After just one game

[@owlstalk]

Just now, Kevin Pressmans Pen said:

I’m not sure about size but I’d say it is to budget. Ever since the Prem in 92 it’s got more and more correlated to budget. It started off where the big sides like Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool were always in the top 5/6 sides, then Chelsea and City and Spurs, now it’s unusual when they aren’t the top 6. Then that’s fed down the league and it’s the same sides in the middle and at the bottom.

 

Now the championship we have Norwich, Watford, WBA and Fulham regularly trading places. League 1 it’s Barnsley, Rotherham, Wigan etc.

 

The bigger clubs are usually out of league 1 within 2 seasons.. Wolves, Forest, Leeds, Leicester, Southampton, Wednesday (so far). It’s only Sunderland (4) and Utd (6) who’ve got marooned down here. We really don’t want to end up like that 

 

 

Nobody wants to stay in this league mate - nobody

Regarding budget it would be interesting to see which clubs have had the biggest budgets and which ones got promoted in the last 5 years - see if there's anything statistically that says £££ = promotion

[Birstall Owl]

Thing is a lot of people have managed to take the Met Police or Vauxhall Motors to Champions League glory on Football Manager scoring 100+ goals a season in the process.

How hard can this manager lark be? 

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, NorthernOwl said:

 

We had similar problems last year but you still expected us to get promotion.

 

Derby's wage bill will be equivalent to ours so they should be certs to go up?

We didn’t have the problems Derby have had. They had 5 players under contract, none of whom were any good.

 

Last season we had Dawson, Wildsmith, Palmer, Hutchinson, Iorfa, Bannan, Luongo, Windass, Paterson all under contract with 50+ championship appearances under their belts. We then signed a lot of new players all with championship experience too. It’s just nothing like as bad as Derby this season

[Big Jack]

Wednesday have a history of doing things the 

hard way.

Long suffering fans know this, and more

realistic, its the young uns who are inpatient 

[@owlstalk]

9 minutes ago, Kevin Pressmans Pen said:

We didn’t have the problems Derby have had. They had 5 players under contract, none of whom were any good.

 

Last season we had Dawson, Wildsmith, Palmer, Hutchinson, Iorfa, Bannan, Luongo, Windass, Paterson all under contract with 50+ championship appearances under their belts. We then signed a lot of new players all with championship experience too. It’s just nothing like as bad as Derby this season

We had a massive injury issue

[Wednesday_Jack]

4 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

So after just one game some of our fans have decided:

 

1) Scrap the three at the back

2) Sell Iorfa

3) Kick Stockdale out of SWFC

4) FDB isn't that good really

5) Darren Moore should be sacked immediately

 

After just one game

We didn't even lose!

 

 

Football's crackers isn't it

 

 

Dint you mean our fans are???

[daleblue]

3 hours ago, gazzamk2 said:

Some of the toys out the pram antics on here are hilarious on here when we lose. 

 

I bet when they go into Tesco and they've sold out of their favourite biscuits they scream and blart and have a good old foot stamp

 

I'm still miffed with Woolworths closure, pick and mix gone down hill ever since.

 

Oh and did you notice 666, is it a sign?

[@owlstalk]

1 minute ago, daleblue said:

 

I'm still miffed with Woolworths closure, pick and mix gone down hill ever since. 

Was a proper weird shop that wasn't it

Sold Action Man next to a beach towel and a showaddywaddy cd

 

 

[Guest mrbluesky]

3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

Was a proper weird shop that wasn't it

Sold Action Man next to a beach towel and a showaddywaddy cd

 

 

Regulars in Hen & Chickens loved it 

[NorthernOwl]

46 minutes ago, Kevin Pressmans Pen said:

We didn’t have the problems Derby have had. They had 5 players under contract, none of whom were any good.

 

Last season we had Dawson, Wildsmith, Palmer, Hutchinson, Iorfa, Bannan, Luongo, Windass, Paterson all under contract with 50+ championship appearances under their belts. We then signed a lot of new players all with championship experience too. It’s just nothing like as bad as Derby this season

 

And how many championship appearances have the likes of Mcgoldrick, Collins, Barkhuizen, Hourihane, Chester, Stearman etc etc got?

 

Derby's team is packed full of championship experience on big wages. 

 

Yes they've had a high level of squad turnover but you kept saying last season that wasn't an excuse for us so no reason why it would be for Derby either 

[daleblue]

33 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

Was a proper weird shop that wasn't it

Sold Action Man next to a beach towel and a showaddywaddy cd

 

 

 

I got one of them, and no it wasn't showaddywaddy,

[CircleSeven]

Hysteria is pretty standard when it come to football. I think people just have a bit of a rant and then go about with their daily business feeling better that they’ve vented. There are a few outliers and people who really are frothing at the mouth in rage at the slightest thing but they are a tiny minority. 
 

Football, Wednesday, Owlstalk. For me they are a diversion from the genuinely stressful and difficult parts of life. If for some people that diversion takes the form of ranting and raving then good luck to them. 
 

Anyone who genuinely has incredibly strong feelings of rage about the fact we drew and didn’t win or is actually obsessed with 3-5-2 v 4-3-2-1 or Stockdale or Dawson probably hasn’t got much else going on! So good for them

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, NorthernOwl said:

 

And how many championship appearances have the likes of Mcgoldrick, Collins, Barkhuizen, Hourihane, Chester, Stearman etc etc got?

 

Derby's team is packed full of championship experience on big wages. 

 

Yes they've had a high level of squad turnover but you kept saying last season that wasn't an excuse for us so no reason why it would be for Derby either 

They’ll be up there but their squad isn’t as good as ours last season. They have Wildsmith in goal as first choice for one.

 

so whilst they have 3-4 good players there (who are mostly old) there’s not much squad depth, and all new players. 
 

The spine of our team had been here for a while and we added to it. I just don’t see them as the same situation. 

[Lawrie’s Left Peg]

2 hours ago, Tewkesbury said:

352 is designed to play quickly from the back with a big long/through ball threat to counter the press.

Conte made it famous, look at Son and Kane last season, press them and they're behind you in seconds.

 

We don't. 

 

We play slowly slowly, letting everyone get behind the ball and end up with 8 men along the edge of the box trying to get through. At which point they just bang it into the channels and we're in trouble. If they press we have no answer, as seen with the attempted long balls to Berahino and Gregory last season. Hence DM trying to make NML work up front.

 

352 was made to be the direct counter to 4231, when played as intended. We just play a half arsed version of it and get punished.

To be fair 3-5-2 is the worse possible formation to go against 4-2-3-1 if the opposites manager knows what he’s doing.  The (2-3) means the opposites can match up to our (5). The opposites (4) means they can overload our full-backs in the wide areas. This is exactly what Neil did with Sunderland last season when he changed to 4-2-3-1 specifically for the semis. For the record Croatia switched to 4-2-3-1 at half-time v England in the World Cup and Mancini did the same in the Euros. 3-5-2 was developed to overcome the traditional 4-4-2 by out numbering the opposites in the midfield and allowing the sweeper system to provide cover against 2 central strikers.
Point is it’s not how you start but how you finish. DM needs to develop tactical flexibility to react when the opposites manager out manoeuvres him. It won’t happen often in this league btw. 

For the record, Conte favours 3-4-3. 
 

[Tewkesbury]

46 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said:

To be fair 3-5-2 is the worse possible formation to go against 4-2-3-1 if the opposites manager knows what he’s doing.  The (2-3) means the opposites can match up to our (5). The opposites (4) means they can overload our full-backs in the wide areas. This is exactly what Neil did with Sunderland last season when he changed to 4-2-3-1 specifically for the semis. For the record Croatia switched to 4-2-3-1 at half-time v England in the World Cup and Mancini did the same in the Euros. 3-5-2 was developed to overcome the traditional 4-4-2 by out numbering the opposites in the midfield and allowing the sweeper system to provide cover against 2 central strikers.
Point is it’s not how you start but how you finish. DM needs to develop tactical flexibility to react when the opposites manager out manoeuvres him. It won’t happen often in this league btw. 

For the record, Conte favours 3-4-3. 
 

That's the one, it's been a long day.

 

Either way, it needs pace and movement up front to make it work, which we lack. Both as a deterrent to the press and to open up midfield.

Our defenders looked uncomfortable on the ball because there was nobody open in midfield, even Byers came back and struggled to find a pass.

 

I don't think that Moore has it in him to change enough to get automatics when every team knows that if they press, they'll always get a few attempts just by banging it over the midfield, especially when they now have 5 subs, so we can't wait till they're knackered anymore.

[bigthinrob]

4 hours ago, Daizan10 said:

you can only wish the more idiotic ones weren't... 

So let’s get this right. Among the Champagne corks popping from that wonderful showing, that demonstrates beyond doubt the entire season will be a simple procession to the title, does anyone not even have a tinge of “We’ve possibly been here before”. 
 

As recently as the pre season games, where the same frailties were clearly on show. As recently as a few months ago, and last season.
 

Yeah it’s only the first game but other clubs seem drilled from the get go. Does nobody have any even slight trepidation that this looks suspiciously like ‘business as usual’. Brilliant start, score early, don’t capitalise on good start, lose momentum, lose the tempo, the rival manager (who has the ability to address issues on the hoof) alters his strategy and we are scuttling around in the last ten minutes trying to rescue something.

 

To all the posters who call any dissenters to their own point of view “idiots” “morons” etc.

 

Do you think Darren Moore, if the roles were reversed would have been able or willing to change things on the hoof, to negate the oppositions superiority in the same way as was done to us, which resulted in the game being turned totally on its head.

[bigthinrob]

1 hour ago, CircleSeven said:

Hysteria is pretty standard when it come to football. I think people just have a bit of a rant and then go about with their daily business feeling better that they’ve vented. There are a few outliers and people who really are frothing at the mouth in rage at the slightest thing but they are a tiny minority. 
 

Football, Wednesday, Owlstalk. For me they are a diversion from the genuinely stressful and difficult parts of life. If for some people that diversion takes the form of ranting and raving then good luck to them. 
 

Anyone who genuinely has incredibly strong feelings of rage about the fact we drew and didn’t win or is actually obsessed with 3-5-2 v 4-3-2-1 or Stockdale or Dawson probably hasn’t got much else going on! So good for them

I’m not so sure people who disagree or are “frothing at the mouth” as you patronisingly put it “haven’t got much else going on” or are even venting their spleens over one game. 
 

I get the impression it is more the fact they see the same old weaknesses from all through the DM reign being repeated time and again.  Different players, same formation, same result.  
 

No one is preaching Armageddon because we nearly threw away the first game, the concern surrounds the apparent lack of the same old problems not having been addressed, albeit early days, but the worrying signs are still there.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

3 hours ago, NorthernOwl said:

 

We had similar problems last year but you still expected us to get promotion.

 

Derby's wage bill will be equivalent to ours so they should be certs to go up?

I thought Derby had an 8k a week wage cap?

[Lawrie’s Left Peg]

41 minutes ago, Tewkesbury said:

That's the one, it's been a long day.

 

Either way, it needs pace and movement up front to make it work, which we lack. Both as a deterrent to the press and to open up midfield.

Our defenders looked uncomfortable on the ball because there was nobody open in midfield, even Byers came back and struggled to find a pass.

 

I don't think that Moore has it in him to change enough to get automatics when every team knows that if they press, they'll always get a few attempts just by banging it over the midfield, especially when they now have 5 subs, so we can't wait till they're knackered anymore.

That’s why I wish DM would recruit a top coach to help him

[debram]

It's just so frustrating that we continue to concede sloppy, avoidable goals, where's the 3 big impressive centre backs, defending wing backs, constantly a thorn in our side, been working to improve this for a year or so, yes we had the determination to bounce back but shouldn't be that way if we sorted the obvious.