Tewkesbury Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 40 minutes ago, HIGHERSTATE said: People can demand, ask for or question what they want. It's their prerogative. You can say 'should win' as much as you want. But the reality of football very rarely goes with it. The Arsenal invincibles is the only example that I can think of that shows an example of it. Football is a game of unpredictability and passion. Players arn't robots that you can make a calculation that you will win. There's a whole team of players, management and coaches setting out to stop you. Football fans live in hope and 90 percent don't get what they feel they should at the end of the season. There is no certs. But we can't have this every time we drop points. Are people still sore after the Play-Offs or something else? How about expecting results commensurate with the resources available? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Tewkesbury said: How about expecting results commensurate with the resources available? BUt if it was simply down to budget you'd be able to bet your entire earnings, house and car on the final league table with every team in the exact position you've predicted (by budget) 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonstrix Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 23 hours ago, edwinowl said: Don’t sell Iorfa Just don’t play him at CH. reckon you could just about slide the Sunday times under him when he jumps. Made me laugh out loud in Costa when I read that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonstrix Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 hours ago, parajack said: I didn’t start this thread mate(or any thread for that matter) after our opening game.I have merely offered a view that differs to yours Ime a Socialist I have 3 kids who vote Tory that’s life sometimes My dad did that to me mate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewkesbury Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: BUt if it was simply down to budget you'd be able to bet your entire earnings, house and car on the final league table with every team in the exact position you've predicted (by budget) Resources can be anything, players, facilities, budget. And if every team used those resources optimally, then yes, you'd be able to predict it. But they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinowl Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, Devonstrix said: Made me laugh out loud in Costa when I read that! It’s an old saying that throwback to the eighties. Glad to brighten someone’s day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tewkesbury said: Resources can be anything, players, facilities, budget. And if every team used those resources optimally, then yes, you'd be able to predict it. But they don't. So your point doesn't stack up then (to say the least) Nor do your demands Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTLiam Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Not a bad result. It's a point on the board. let's hope for a win next week. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Some people just don't like the manager so its more personal for some. That's the only reason i can conclude with some of the posters after only one game played. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 40 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: BUt if it was simply down to budget you'd be able to bet your entire earnings, house and car on the final league table with every team in the exact position you've predicted (by budget) The bookies had us down as title favourites so you wouldn’t get much return for taking on that risk. It usually only makes sense to bet if you think something unexpected is going to happen which other people think won’t happen. If you take the prem as an example, would anyone bet against City and Liverpool being the top 2, Chelsea top 4 and then Spurs or Man Utd or at a push arsenal the other top 4, and the rest all in the top 6. Then Leicester, West Ham and Newcastle top half. It doesn’t all have to happen but the budget is what drives the relative predictability of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewkesbury Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 23 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: So your point doesn't stack up then (to say the least) Nor do your demands What demands? If all managers performed at an average level then the one with the best resources at his disposal would do better than the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, Tewkesbury said: What demands? If all managers performed at an average level then the one with the best resources at his disposal would do better than the others. Not if the players don't perform at their expected level You're being too simplistic Nothing ever works like that at any level It's all about highs, lows, peformance dips, injuries, suspensions, near misses etc That's what makes football amazing! Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 hours ago, HIGHERSTATE said: There was a popular thread at the end of the season saying lets just enjoy the matches and there's no rush to get promoted. Weird I know but not everyone looks at it the same way. Whilst I agree as I said I wasn't expecting us to get playoffs last season. I suppose it's the run we went on and form we showed going into it feels a bit like it was an opportunity missed in the end and would have been nice to end the season on a high for the first time in a few seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewkesbury Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Just now, @owlstalk said: Not if the players don't perform at their expected level You're being too simplistic Nothing ever works like that at any level It's all about highs, lows, peformance dips, injuries, suspensions, near misses etc That's what makes football amazing! Players are a resource, all of them, not just the first 11. If they don't perform as expected, it's the manager's job to deal with it, through training, role changes or replacement, same with injuries and suspensions. The managers who manage their resources effectively will do better than the ones who don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwellOwl Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Basically, if we don't win every game, posters will moan. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 20 minutes ago, shezzas left peg said: Whilst I agree as I said I wasn't expecting us to get playoffs last season. I suppose it's the run we went on and form we showed going into it feels a bit like it was an opportunity missed in the end and would have been nice to end the season on a high for the first time in a few seasons. 100% It's even a bit annoying considering the form we were in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Crawshaw Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 4 hours ago, HopefulOwl said: Better start than last season.... just saying. We drew the opening game last season, then won the next 3. So need to win the next 3 to match last seasons start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 19 minutes ago, Tewkesbury said: The managers who manage their resources effectively How do you quantify that though. Every single one is giving what they think is 100 percent to the methods they think will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 51 minutes ago, Kevin Pressmans Pen said: The bookies had us down as title favourites so you wouldn’t get much return for taking on that risk. It usually only makes sense to bet if you think something unexpected is going to happen which other people think won’t happen. If you take the prem as an example, would anyone bet against City and Liverpool being the top 2, Chelsea top 4 and then Spurs or Man Utd or at a push arsenal the other top 4, and the rest all in the top 6. Then Leicester, West Ham and Newcastle top half. It doesn’t all have to happen but the budget is what drives the relative predictability of it It certainly helps, especially the different levels of spending. But still it doesn't guarantee anything, it just helps your chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 57 minutes ago, Asio otus said: Some people just don't like the manager so its more personal for some. That's the only reason i can conclude with some of the posters after only one game played. Yea the result or even performance doesn't warrant that reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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