shandypants Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) Two young keepers that may not yet be ready No senior left back/left wingback One senior right back (Palmer) One senior right wingback (Odebajo) Six (yes six!) senior centre halves (just to clarify - that's six!!!) Two senior wingers (Harris and Reach) Four midfielders No centre-forward (target man) Two proper strikers (Rhodes and Marriot) Two inside rights/lefts (Windass and Kachunga) One "general" forward (Paterson) If we consider that list of senior first team players, we can see that ANY formation (4-4-2, 3-5-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3, etc) employed will require the new manager to either force square pegs into round holes or play junior first team players (e.g. Penney). We are also somewhat prevented from successfully employing the long ball "from back to front" because we have no Target Man which is somewhat concerning as we don't have the players skilful enough to play an effective possession game. How was Monk or the recruitment team allowed to build such a lob-sided squad?!! The new manager is going to have to be top notch as he's got a real mess squad-wise on his hands. Edited November 11, 2020 by shandypants 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitcat Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 But at least they'll have millions to splash in January. Roll on the good times! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgyowl Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 It's a giant cluster f**k and it's going to need a decent manager to sort this s**t show out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZicoSterland2 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, shandypants said: Two young keepers that may not yet be ready No senior left back/left wingback One senior right back (Palmer) One senior right wingback (Odebajo) Six (yes six!) senior centre halves (just to clarify - that's six!!!) Two senior wingers (Harris and Reach) Four midfielders No centre-forward (target man) Two proper strikers (Rhodes and Marriot) Two inside rights/lefts (Windass and Kachunga) One "general" forward (Paterson) If we consider that list of senior first team players, we can see that ANY formation (4-4-2, 3-5-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3, etc) employed will require the new manager to either force square pegs into round holes or play junior first team players (e.g. Penney). We are also somewhat prevented from successfully employing the long ball "from back to front" because we have no Target Man which is somewhat concerning as we don't have the players skilful enough to play an effective possession game. How was Monk or the recruitment team allowed to build such a lob-sided squad?!! The new manager is going to have to be top notch as he's got a real mess squad-wise on his hands. Both keepers mid-twenties if they aren't ready now they never will be. Same applies to Penney bit younger but needs to step up and grasp his opportunity. The squad is lower midtable at least. Its who we get to control it and motivate it thats the key. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 It’s an issue yes, but one that could be easily remedied with a couple of signings, and a couple of back ups come January. In the meantime, a simple switch to 4-3-3, drafting in Penney at left back, and operating Harris and Reach as wingers, on their correct sides, and the only problem left is the central striker We would instantly be better balanced, and yes, without a number 9, we wouldn’t function as we might wish in attack. That would be the same, whichever system we played though, until the window opened Unbalanced yeah, but not a million miles away, if we play the right system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan93 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Monk has built a squad of Jack of all trades, master of none. Not going to get you anywhere! Again, the next bloke has some building to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZicoSterland2 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Hopefully the hoofball will be gone(unless its Pulis).We have the players to play decent football but still crying out for a goal scorer.(Rhodes looks shot and doubt he will ever deliver here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Cooke if he’s to be manager usually favours 4-2-3-1 so. Wildsmith Palmer Iorfa Borner Penney Luongo Bannan Windass Brown Reach Paterson subs Dawson, Van Aken, Odubajo, Hunt, Harris, Katchunga. Thats a reasonably balanced lineup but a bit thin if/when we get the inevitable injuries. A decent manager assesses his squad and adapts accordingly, at least until the next transfer window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 The only thing worse than this whole situation is the length of this thread title 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Blatter said: Cooke if he’s to be manager usually favours 4-2-3-1 so. Wildsmith Palmer Iorfa Borner Penney Luongo Bannan Windass Brown Reach Paterson subs Dawson, Van Aken, Odubajo, Hunt, Harris, Katchunga. Thats a reasonably balanced lineup but a bit thin if/when we get the inevitable injuries. A decent manager assesses his squad and adapts accordingly, at least until the next transfer window. That’s much better yes, though I’d be tempted to keep it on the ground more, something we wouldn’t do if we had Paterson in the middle. Maybe Rhodes or Marriott in a sort of Pukki role, that might get us through until January, when we could hopefully bring in a number 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FoxOwl12 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 A comment which applies to some of the group of players. " You can't polish turds " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Our 352 makes sense given the squad. 3 - got a battalion of CBs and only one FB - tick. 5 - Reach and Harris are as good WBs as you could expect at this level - tick. - Bannan, Brown and Luongo are excellent, but clearly will rarely start. Joey is so-so cover. I’d say all in all this is a concern area. 2 - Need two proper strikers. I’d say Rhodes, Windass and at a pinch Paterson - tick. 442 would be ok too. Seems a waste of 23 of our 25 CBs, but it overcomes the midfield issue. We could play whichever two of Bannan, Luongo and Brown are fit, meaning we don’t need to play Joey, or be forced to play Reach out of position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full fathom five Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 57 minutes ago, shandypants said: Two young keepers that may not yet be ready No senior left back/left wingback One senior right back (Palmer) One senior right wingback (Odebajo) Six (yes six!) senior centre halves (just to clarify - that's six!!!) Two senior wingers (Harris and Reach) Four midfielders No centre-forward (target man) Two proper strikers (Rhodes and Marriot) Two inside rights/lefts (Windass and Kachunga) One "general" forward (Paterson) If we consider that list of senior first team players, we can see that ANY formation (4-4-2, 3-5-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3, etc) employed will require the new manager to either force square pegs into round holes or play junior first team players (e.g. Penney). We are also somewhat prevented from successfully employing the long ball "from back to front" because we have no Target Man which is somewhat concerning as we don't have the players skilful enough to play an effective possession game. How was Monk or the recruitment team allowed to build such a lob-sided squad?!! The new manager is going to have to be top notch as he's got a real mess squad-wise on his hands. Yep, take a bow Garry Monk for leaving us this hungry squad of crocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 There was no squad building . We just signed the rubbish that we could attract 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetland Owl Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Its a lack of consistency with a few players mentioned but we do need a couple of good forwards and send Marriot back if the new manager cannot get him scoring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted November 11, 2020 Author Share Posted November 11, 2020 44 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: The only thing worse than this whole situation is the length of this thread title Your Honour, I present Exhibit A Chansiri “This company, we’ve owed them since before my time… Maybe it’s my fault, but I didn’t know that" By @owlstalk, Thursday at 17:54 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 I don't think the squad is a bad squad, I just think everyone looked uncomfortable and out of position. Don't get me wrong, this isn't a great squad and at best is a mid table team but that should be enough of a foundation for someone to come in and work with. There's still some quality and decent players here. Someone has to get more out of them both in terms of formation, performances and goals. Then of course we need to build and improve through every transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Fessi Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, shandypants said: Two young keepers that may not yet be ready - They have over 100+ first team appearance between them No senior left back/left wingback - Palmer has proven he can play there and play well in a 4, Reach is fine in a 5 One senior right back (Palmer) - Odubajo & Palmer both equally experienced One senior right wingback (Odebajo) - ? Six (yes six!) senior centre halves (just to clarify - that's six!!!) - Flint long term injured, Dunkley also returning from long term serious injury - we have 4 (and the only ball player JVA is still struggled defensively)Two senior winger s (Harris and Reach) - Windass, Marriot, Kach can all play out wide Four midfielders - If they stay fit, very strong 3 in here (plus Reach is effective as a CAM) No centre-forward (target man) - This is exactly the type of striker Paterson is? He just lacks the quality Fletcher had...either way not an issue if we stop playing long ball Two proper strikers (Rhodes and Marriot) - ? Two inside rights/lefts (Windass and Kachunga) - ? One "general" forward (Paterson) - ? If we consider that list of senior first team players, we can see that ANY formation (4-4-2, 3-5-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3, etc) employed will require the new manager to either force square pegs into round holes or play junior first team players (e.g. Penney). We are also somewhat prevented from successfully employing the long ball "from back to front" because we have no Target Man which is somewhat concerning as we don't have the players skilful enough to play an effective possession game. How was Monk or the recruitment team allowed to build such a lob-sided squad?!! The new manager is going to have to be top notch as he's got a real mess squad-wise on his hands. Disagree. As much as I think we should bring in other types of players the only position we are desperately weak on is LB, injuries providing the squad isn't bad. We could still switch into any of 442, 433, 4231 etc and be a good team, we have the players to make anything work, (obviously we would like to upgrade some but that won't happen until Jan) - It's entirely dependant on what manager we bring in and how they want to play. For example a Pulis type may favour Paterson as a target man with Rhodes supporting and defensive back 5 with 2 holding midfielders. Imagine we bring in Eddie Howe and he gets us playing an attacking 442 Wildsmith Odubajo Irofa Lees Palmer Windass Bannan Luongo Reach Rhodes Kachunga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrh Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 It was in a similar 'mess' when Bruce came in. Good managers get the best from what they have got and improve players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, jrh said: It was in a similar 'mess' when Bruce came in. Good managers get the best from what they have got and improve players. It’s been made a worse mess since our summer window We never replaced Fletcher and Fox, which was bizarre, as they were the two we apparently wanted to keep. There then followed a procession of players we really did not need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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