ZicoSterland2 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ozymandias Owl said: Better than Shearer though wasn't he? Difficult to find that kind of player under the EFL Lockdown... Alex Ferguson thought so and he isn't a bad judge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 A reminder if it were needed that the football should be over by now and silly transfer chat season would have been upon us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZicoSterland2 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Dunno if he was better, fate took them in different directions. When he was good he was as good as one else. He had it all good ball skills, could run with it, could belt it, could head it. Lacked for nothing. Had a lot more pace than Shearer thats why I always thought he had the edge. Shearer though recovered better from injuries than Hirsty thats why he had the better career. (Signing for Newcastle curtailed the medals though). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Interesting on the subject of injury recovery. Worth noting that Shearer also suffered a couple of shocking injuries during his career. One does wonder how much of the recovery of the two were down to discipline. I've no time for Pleat really but I do recall him once lamenting (in that-end of-the-tether way that shows on the dial of the frustrated manager) "David's....erm....refuelling habits" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 People always compare Hirst and Shearer, but it is always worth remembering that Hirst was 3 years older. So when we think about absolute peak David Hirst at around 24 years of age in 1990-91 (scoring 30 goals in a season in Div 2), Shearer was still 21. By the time Shearer was 24 he was an England regular and that season scored 37 goals in a successful Premier League campaign. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 54 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Nor did you hear the boring line, he needs a supply. If no one gave him the ball, he would go and get the ball in midfield then bang one in. Players of Hirsty's class are once in a generation offerings. He had the lot as you say 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHero Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: Interesting on the subject of injury recovery. Worth noting that Shearer also suffered a couple of shocking injuries during his career. One does wonder how much of the recovery of the two were down to discipline. I've no time for Pleat really but I do recall him once lamenting (in that-end of-the-tether way that shows on the dial of the frustrated manager) "David's....erm....refuelling habits" Possibly made him the player he was. In the days of Big Ron there were rumours Hirst would be allowed a drink before the game. Different times though. Arsenal beat us in two cup finals in 93 with a team full of alchoholics and gambling addicts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 31 minutes ago, ZicoSterland2 said: Had a lot more pace than Shearer thats why I always thought he had the edge. Shearer though recovered better from injuries than Hirsty thats why he had the better career. (Signing for Newcastle curtailed the medals though). Hirst was rushed back far to soon after the Bould injury hence the tendonitis setting in and the continued niggles that were never allowed to heal properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHero Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said: People always compare Hirst and Shearer, but it is always worth remembering that Hirst was 3 years older. So when we think about absolute peak David Hirst at around 24 years of age in 1990-91 (scoring 30 goals in a season in Div 2), Shearer was still 21. By the time Shearer was 24 he was an England regular and that season scored 37 goals in a successful Premier League campaign. Shearer would have had to wait for his chance if Steve Bould had'nt crocked Hirst Not that I'm bitter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ozymandias Owl said: Possibly made him the player he was. In the days of Big Ron there were rumours Hirst would be allowed a drink before the game. Different times though. Arsenal beat us in two cup finals in 93 with a team full of alchoholics and gambling addicts. Definitely won't have made him a better player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Do you really think Chansiri would give the go ahead for such a move.?. Do you really believe young Hirst would return here after being prevented from playing for a whole season?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ozymandias Owl said: Possibly made him the player he was. In the days of Big Ron there were rumours Hirst would be allowed a drink before the game. Different times though. Arsenal beat us in two cup finals in 93 with a team full of alchoholics and gambling addicts. True. But I'm sure a greater boffin than me will talk about oxygen in blood levels and recovery etc. Smoking tabs and drinking ale I'm sure won't have helped. Though I do also have another bit of a theory. I think as the weight fluctuated his running gait changed. Perhaps he flattened his arches with it. Is that possible? I have no idea. When you watch early Hirst footage, of which there's plenty available, he runs springstepped through the toes and ball. The latter footage, IMO,he thunders through the heel of the boot. I've jot knowledge of the subject (other than having a keen eye for someone carrying a knock. I've won many a chocolate lime from my seat mates predicting someone who's going to be subbed in advance due to a subtle in game change of gait). But I digress. I'm sure a flattening foot would pull some other muscles or tendons or some such in a way not designed to be twanged and strained? Perhaps @scram and @Ellis Rimmermight indulge me of giving their view on my theory? Edited July 4, 2020 by Lord Snooty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said: People always compare Hirst and Shearer, but it is always worth remembering that Hirst was 3 years older. So when we think about absolute peak David Hirst at around 24 years of age in 1990-91 (scoring 30 goals in a season in Div 2), Shearer was still 21. By the time Shearer was 24 he was an England regular and that season scored 37 goals in a successful Premier League campaign. Hirst was nowhere near in the same league as Shearer.. people who say otherwise have blue and white specs on. Yes Man Utd wanted Hirst, but they also wanted Shearer. Shearer scored 283 top flight goals and was consistently hitting 20+ a season for many years in his prime and wasn’t even at one of the top clubs in Newcastle after their mid 90s decline. There’s no chance that Hirst would have bettered that if he’d not been injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 FFS let it go....he is never going to be a patch on his dad. Think he will end up league 1 or back abroad. Shame but don't think his name has done human favours expectations and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHero Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Ozymandias Owl said: Shearer would have had to wait for his chance if Steve Bould had'nt crocked Hirst Not that I'm bitter... So good he could even score with a broken ankle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Owl Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 ‘Disharmony’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHero Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: True. But I'm sure a greater boffin than me will talk about oxygen in blood levels and recovery etc. Smoking tabs and drinking ale I'm sure won't have helped. Though I do also have another bit of a theory. I think as the weight fluctuated his running gait changed. Perhaps he flattened his arches with it. Is that possible? I have no idea. When you watch early Hirst footage, of which there's plenty available, he runs springstepped through the toes and ball. The latter footage, IMO,he thunders through the heel of the boot. I've jot knowledge of the subject (other than having a keen eye for someone carrying a knock. I've won many a chocolate lime from my seat mates predicting someone who's going to be subbed in advance due to a subtle in game change of gait). But I digress. I'm sure a flattening foot would pull some other muscles or tendons or some such in a way not designed to be twanged and strained? Perhaps @scram and @Ellis Rimmermight indulge me of giving their view on my theory? Flat feet eh? The extra weight definitely slowed Hirst down towards the end of his career. I don't disagree that in the end Hirst was a shadow of his former self. Once you can't train at 100% through injury you are on a downward spiral. Since then Wednesday seemed to have specialised in picking up players who are shadows of their past acheivements. The entire Paxo / Chansiri transfer policy seemed to be based on this philosophy. Even Wickham this season appeared to be a reinacrnation of the Mk II Michillenesque Hirst when he first arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I could see the merits of bringing him back. Obviously not as our first choice, but so he could continue his development here When you look through the Premier League development squads, he would be one of those who would fit our requirements Any deal though would have to be permanent, as opposed to a loan., but it would be be unlikely to happen, given the manner of his leaving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: True. But I'm sure a greater boffin than me will talk about oxygen in blood levels and recovery etc. Smoking tabs and drinking ale I'm sure won't have helped. Though I do also have another bit of a theory. I think as the weight fluctuated his running gait changed. Perhaps he flattened his arches with it. Is that possible? I have no idea. When you watch early Hirst footage, of which there's plenty available, he runs springstepped through the toes and ball. The latter footage, IMO,he thunders through the heel of the boot. I've jot knowledge of the subject (other than having a keen eye for someone carrying a knock. I've won many a chocolate lime from my seat mates predicting someone who's going to be subbed in advance due to a subtle in game change of gait). But I digress. I'm sure a flattening foot would pull some other muscles or tendons or some such in a way not designed to be twanged and strained? Perhaps @scram and @Ellis Rimmermight indulge me of giving their view on my theory? You are pretty much nailed on here Snoots ... After many years of painful back injuries it took a physio of a then Premier League team to diagnose my issue on the spot he just made me take my trousers and shoes off and walk 20 or so paces ... He had me a special pair of insoles made up that made me walk like I'd just got off a horse ... It cured me though ... Also put me in front of the committee for exposing myself on the 14th tee .. Didn't wear underwear in them days .... True story ....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosborough-owl Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I respect everyone’s thoughts on here, and I don’t judge.. HOWEVER... please do not post such tripe again... thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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