bigthinrob Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Derby seem to be strongly pushing that the action by the EFL is "Unlawful". They refer to it numerous times, so are not pleading for clemency or offering mitigating circumstances. They are basically saying "You (EFL) are not allowed under the law to do what you are doing". Whereas SWFC v FA, where the FA ignored the law of the land in the FF case, after FF had been found not guilty yet still banned him. It looks like Derby have (what looks like) incontrovertible proof in writing, that the EFL sanctioned what they did but have since reneged on their agreement. Seemingly, not dissimilar to what DC is saying. I said it months ago, that the EFLs position was becoming untenable and sure enough they are starting to look like King Canute wailing at the tide as it engulfs them. Let them enact their silly little control freak rules with their over riding sense of self importance, but let them do it at the level of their abilities. I would suggest the list kindly compiled by S6 which includes such luminaries as Jez Moxey - Burton, Stephen Curwood - Fleetwood & John Nixon - Carlisle are exactly the level that the EFL are capable of dealing with. Let them bully, limit & restrain these sort of clubs, (letting clubs like Bury slip through the net in the process) and let's have a new organisation who are capable of maximising the potential of seriously ambitious clubs who can prove they have the wherewithal to fund their ambitions & are more than willing to spend it & narrow the unfair gap between the Prem & the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, 2roland2 said: Ok what about this for a very very out there paranoid theory........ Wasnt Parry one of the initial pioneers of the premier league? what if he has taken this role to cause chaos with the efl to break it down so badly that the PL2 can be created with clubs saying fizz you???? mmmm is it out of the realms of possibility? I think we've been heading towards a Premier 2 for a long while, its got to happen sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigthinrob Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Just now, 2roland2 said: the thing is we don’t know much from the efl side though, like I said the only logical thing from their end is if they are saying that the board including derby and reading reps have helped authorise this when maybe they shouldn’t have??? who knows but it’s goi g to get messy Whatever the EFLs side is, they've clearly admitted they messed up in some shape or form & once they've done that they haven't got a legal leg to stand on. Derby's lawyers will decimate them & any other actions against other clubs will carry zero credibility. Also if they (EFL) lose the case & have to eat humble pie for once, if it's seen to have impacted on Derby's fortunes the damages could be very punitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, oldishowl said: Isn’t Gibson suing the EFL for not enforcing the rules . So they have decided to show they are You'd think he'd have better things to spend his money on after spunking it all on Boro! Ironically, the reason he got the face on in the first place. His pot became empty; cue sulk & legal action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 59 minutes ago, Ferkorf said: Why are people surprised at this ? Chansiri sets the bar, we are pioneers aren't we? A pattern is certainly starting to emerge. DC, football legend in the making! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigthinrob Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, OWLERTON GHOST said: Keeps the cholesterol down and the pecker up Back to the EFL We need to play these Bent Bàstards with a very straight bat ... Dont trust anyone..... We all know they dont like us ... Parrys looking for blood. And blood is red Always is.. And always will be ... Amazing isn't it. How many miscreants were dragged before the beak under Parry's stewardship of the Prem? It seems his new found thirst for fair play & justice has been his conversion on the road to Damascus moment. Maybe he didn't fancy taking on any of the bigwigs with the same relish as us low lifes in the Champ. Edited January 17, 2020 by bigthinrob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, bigthinrob said: Amazing isn't it. How many miscreants were dragged before the beak under Parry's stewardship of the Prem? It seems his new found thirst for fair play & justice has been his conversion on the road to Damascus moment. Maybe he didn't fancy taking on any of the bigwigs with the same relish as us low lifes in the Champ. Yep.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Regulator Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, HarrowbyOwl said: The parliamentary select committee also savaged the EFL following the Bury debacle https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/culture-media-and-sport/191104 Chair to Debbie Jevans EFL re football inquiry.pdf Looks like after that they lost it and tried to retrospectively clamp down on things they’d already agreed to That really is a very damning letter and it’s pretty clear to see why the action against us and Derby has now been taken in some desperate attempt to retain any form of credibility. As others have said, I think we’re on a one way street to PL2. There’s no coming back from this for the EFL if they’ve told clubs they are in compliance and then changed their minds. On a separate point it’s interesting that the select committee recommends ditching the football creditors rule. I’ve long thought that this, together with failure payments, helps to inflate the bubble that football increasingly seems to operate within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, 2roland2 said: Ok what about this for a very very out there paranoid theory........ Wasnt Parry one of the initial pioneers of the premier league? what if he has taken this role to cause chaos with the efl to break it down so badly that the PL2 can be created with clubs saying fizz you???? mmmm is it out of the realms of possibility? Being schooled by a certain Mr Scudamore, as his unemployed independent advisor................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 38 minutes ago, Ferkorf said: So thats us and Derby anyway in a pickle, was Villa the other club gibson called out? If they are back down next season could all 3 of us be deducted points. What a start to the season that would be for the other clubs. Imagine if all 3 went down. League one could be the new championship, Us being the massive club, then Villa, Derby, Sunderland, Stoke, Ipswich, Coventry, Barnsley, Rovrum, Huddersfield, Blackpool, Portsmouth, Bolton (if they pull off a miracle), then add the likes of Donny, Bradford, Grimsby, Salford just for laugh All starting on minus 21, with a spending budget of £13:50 each. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrowbyOwl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, bigthinrob said: Whatever the EFLs side is, they've clearly admitted they messed up in some shape or form & once they've done that they haven't got a legal leg to stand on. Derby's lawyers will decimate them & any other actions against other clubs will carry zero credibility. Also if they (EFL) lose the case & have to eat humble pie for once, if it's seen to have impacted on Derby's fortunes the damages could be very punitive. They’ve already just lost one arbitration case where they appealed against what they thought was an over lenient punishment decided by a disciplinary commission against Bolton https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51020339 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Just now, HarrowbyOwl said: They’ve already just lost one arbitration case where they appealed against what they thought was an over lenient punishment decided by a disciplinary commission against Bolton https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51020339 Then gave a different punishment to Macc Town. At least HMRC are consistent in being two hats Even HMRC don't approve something and then decide they were wrong - unless there was substantial new evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snaykz Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 I can’t see this ending well for the EFL. Premier League 2 incoming... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Owl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, bigthinrob said: Whatever the EFLs side is, they've clearly admitted they messed up in some shape or form & once they've done that they haven't got a legal leg to stand on. Derby's lawyers will decimate them & any other actions against other clubs will carry zero credibility. Also if they (EFL) lose the case & have to eat humble pie for once, if it's seen to have impacted on Derby's fortunes the damages could be very punitive. The consequential losses of imposed ‘embargoes’, adverse publicity, deterrence of players joining a club threatened with potential points deductions, restrictions on trading could be astronomical just by one club let alone 2, 3 or more. The EFL are going out swinging.... Edited January 17, 2020 by Flat Owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, The only way is S6 said: Just looked at EFL website Board consists of Rick Parry Chairman Debbie Jevans CBE Simon Bazalgette - Brentford Mark Ashton - Bristol City (Ashton!) Stephen Pearce - Derby CFC Nigel Howe - Reading Jez Moxey - Burton Stephen Curwood - Fleetwood John Nixon - Carlisle So, somebody on there from both Reading & Derby. What a farce. Looking at the EFL brand and values, they mention ‘Credibility’ - it seems that has currently gone out of the window. Based on their handling of current cases , I expected their ‘mission statement’ to contain the word ‘transparency’ - no sign of it. By the way these two cases are unfolding, it seems and they are taking on too much at the moment. Even if we are guilty as charged, there’s a chance that we could get a repreive due to EFL incompetence. They don’t come across as being in a position to afford the legal experts that this will need. Or, we are dead in the water and the club statements and repeated non statements are a load of bunkum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhubarb n Custard Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Looks to me like the EFL have backed themselves into a corner with us and Derby, especially if reports that both clubs have written consent are true. If so, I don't see how they can come out of this with any credibility. Their options are limited. 1. Back down and their reputation and authority will be seriously compromised. 2. Try to bully a concession and end up losing in court, thus confirming their incompetence and rendering themselves toothless. Its the utter contempt and arrogance the way they conduct their business that rankles the most. Sincerely hope that PL2 is the outcome and that the EFL will be remembered as nothing more than irrelevant bully boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, snaykz said: I can’t see this ending well for the EFL. Premier League 2 incoming... I personally think the Premier League will increase by at least two clubs in the not too distant ... They will cease to support the league cup unless they are permitted to field academy teams and come in at the 5th round Fa Cup stage ...that's the power that they have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Wonder who's in the dock first us or Derby. Winner may take all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HarrowbyOwl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, mkowl said: - unless there was substantial new evidence In our case they said the misconduct charges were brought after information in documents ‘some seen for the first time’ came to light. Whether they hadn’t been seen because of their own negligence/incompetence or we hadn’t submitted them remains to be seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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