shandypants Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I fear that there will be a real risk of a clamour from fans to play Urhoghide ahead of Palmer. I hope that this doesn’t happen because it would be unfair on both players. Palmer is in the box seat at present and we should accept and acknowledge this. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I'm sure Monk and the team will look after Urhoghide and manage him accordingly. We don't want to risk burning him out. Too much too soon. Etc etc. At the minute though.... The lads playing well. When Palmers ankle is better I think he's got to earn the shirt back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Shouldn't we wait to see how Urhoghide performs over a decent period of time first? If he's putting in better performances, then the shirt should be his. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Palmer needs replacing whether it be Urhoghide or someone else. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chow Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Completely agree if urhoghide is playing well you can’t just shoe horn Palmer back in for the sake of it, he needs to earn that right to be back in the team otherwise what’s the point in progressing the youth players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: I'm sure Monk and the team will look after Urhoghide and manage him accordingly. We don't want to risk burning him out. Too much too soon. Etc etc. At the minute though.... The lads playing well. When Palmers ankle is better I think he's got to earn the shirt back. I don’t think Palmer should have to earn back his place, I think that Urhoghide has to be managed (as you also state) and taken out of the team when it is the right time to. I think that Palmer having to earn back his place puts pressure on Urhoghide to keep his and, in turn, risks burnout. Edited January 13, 2020 by shandypants 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I underrstand where you are coming from and for years I had the same hope that Palmer could make the position his own. I do think his control of the ball looks to have improved but going forward he creates so little and of course he never scores. Most worryingly his errors against West Brom away and Cardiff home were just inexplicable. In al honesty I lost faith that he could tie up a position where we have had some really fine players, Wilf Smith, Mel Sterland, Roland, Simek and to a lesser degree Buxton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Shouldn't we wait to see how Urhoghide performs over a decent period of time first? If he's putting in better performances, then the shirt should be his. My view too mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Palmer has no right to the shirt what so ever. If a player is out performing him, regardless of age, then that is up to Palmer himself to earn it back. Why would you drop a player bang in form to accommodate a player coming back from injury? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, shandypants said: I don’t think Palmer should have to earn back his place, I think that Urhoghide has to bebmanaged (as you also state) and taken out of the team when it is the right time to. I think that Palmer having to earn back his place puts pressure on Urhoghide to keep his and, in turn, risks burnout. I think the challenge will do Palmer good to be honest. Keep him on his toes. As for the boy....I think the kid will charge about putting on 100% whether Palmer is fit and challenging or not. He's clearly got bags of enthusiasm. I trust the manager to give him a breather when the time is right. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) Playing away against 2 good teams and being the underdog has suited the new lad. The question needs to be answered when we have more of the ball and he has to be an attacking outlet Yes he can run with it, not seen a final ball as yet (I'm not saying that Palmer has the best delivery in the world either!) Edited January 13, 2020 by torres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, shandypants said: I don’t think Palmer should have to earn back his place, I think that Urhoghide has to be managed (as you also state) and taken out of the team when it is the right time to. I think that Palmer having to earn back his place puts pressure on Urhoghide to keep his and, in turn, risks burnout. rubbish...how can a 19 year old lad be at risk of "burn out"?? Palmer has no right to first choice!! He isn't Roland Nilsson and Palmer has to ear that shirt back IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. Chow said: Completely agree if urhoghide is playing well you can’t just shoe horn Palmer back in for the sake of it, he needs to earn that right to be back in the team otherwise what’s the point in progressing the youth players. You’ve hit in the correct term here in “progressing”. Playing Urhoghide constantly might not progress him, it might send him backwards. Ok, I know we’re fans and it’s what fans do but we’re pinning all our hopes on Urhoghide. If you step back and consider things with a clear mind, you can see that we (the fans) are setting up two players (Urhoghide and Palmer) to fail. We have form as well; we did exactly this with Ash Baker. Urhoghide‘s introduction into the team and development into a first team regular needs to be handled better than Baker’s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernOwl Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 You have to manage each player on a case by case basis. Some young players can come into the team and perform consistently from the off. Others need a more gradual introduction. Monk will know which category urhoghide fits into. We should also be careful not to get carried away or expect too much too soon. Let's not forget Penney who got hyped up on here as the next big thing only to soon lose his place and get shipped out of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 As long as he is performing as well as he has done so far he ought to retain his place IMO. As for Liam, he will have to be patient just like Borner and Lees had to be when they lost their place. Early days yet, after all Baker, Penney and Van Aken all made favourable impressions initially yet failed to make a first team spot their own. We really ought not be expecting a 19-year-old kid who was rejected by Wimbledon to be anywhere near the finished article yet. However, any game time he gets is likely improve him as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Wednesday_Jack said: rubbish...how can a 19 year old lad be at risk of "burn out"?? Palmer has no right to first choice!! He isn't Roland Nilsson and Palmer has to ear that shirt back IMO. because he’s new to first-team football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Let the kid just get some bloody games under his belt before we start fussing over how the competition for a starting spot should be conducted. We've really no reason at the moment not to think Monk won't know how to best manage this. And as for appealing against fans' expectations; it's like p*ssing into the wind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 The lad has done well but he’s still got an awful lot to prove that will already be second nature to Palmer simply through experience. Signs are good and I wish him (and Palmer) well but one step at a time. It’s fairly likely we’re getting ahead of ourselves a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, NorthernOwl said: You have to manage each player on a case by case basis. Some young players can come into the team and perform consistently from the off. Others need a more gradual introduction. Monk will know which category urhoghide fits into. We should also be careful not to get carried away or expect too much too soon. Let's not forget Penney who got hyped up on here as the next big thing only to soon lose his place and get shipped out of the club. This! This is all I’m trying to say. I’m excited as the next person about Urhoghide but history shows us that expecting too much of a young player can fvvck them up good and proper. Urhoghide might succeed Palmer with months but it might also take years to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Watching the performance against Leeds it was clear to me he isn't up to Palmer's standard on the ball. There were a number of times that players could have passed to him but didn't. That isn't to deride his performance, there were some excellent moments and he seems stronger and faster than Palmer so will probably develop to be a really good player. But it should be Palmer's place. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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