Just got back

[RichSheffWeds]

34 minutes ago, Westfield Owl said:

 

And who’s fault is that, the fans or our incompetent owner?

 

Anyway, Chansiri obviously thought that the stadium sale would have sorted any potential FFP penalties.  So there’s no excuses not to recycle the Joao money back into the club is there really?

 

 

Fletcher - Having a great season but will be 33 soon.  Out of contract in the summer, so will need replacing.

Forresteri - An enigma.  Has hardly been available to play for the last 3 years.  Also out of contract.

Winnall - Who knows, hasn’t been given a fair crack here IMO.  Also out of contract.

Nuhiu - Good impact sub, nothing more.  Also out of contract.

Rhodes - Mr £1million per goal.  Say no more.

 

More strike power than most clubs - haha, utter crap.

 

 

Very few fans were saying we “just need somebody better” than previous managers in the dugout to seal promotion.

 

We needed a high quality Championship standard striker with pace.  That should have been a priority and all our efforts should have gone into sorting that.

 

Not signing Jacob f*cking Murphy instead.

 

We did some good business in the summer (thanks to Steve Bruce and his team).  Bruce had landed some of his targets (Harris, Borner, Odubajo) But then we were put under embargo until our accounts were submitted.

 

Once we were out of embargo, the club froze, yes Bruce had moved on and a new manager hadn’t been brought in yet.  You can still sign players using the knowledge and experience of the ‘football people’ at the club though.

 

I understand that selling Joao was the right thing to do.  But the money should have been invested back into recruiting a striker to add to the squad.

 

Are you seriously saying our season wouldn’t benefit massively from signing a Lewis Grabban type striker right now?

what you fail to grasp is that we still have potential ongoing FFP issues even if we successfully defend the stadium sale.
 

The stadium sale hopefully gets us out of a short term hole but ongoing losses will still be a real problem so reinvesting Joao money on a Grabban wasn’t and isn’t realistic. 
 

And underperformance from the remaining strikers doesn’t mean they can’t do it - they have all (bar Nuhiu) performed in the past. 
 

Maybe Chansiri expects a coach to get more out of the other 5 forwards on our books? You can’t blame underperforming players, forwards in particular on the Chairman. 
 

He is having to get used to cutting his cloth within FFP rules now and we better get used to it. The days of splashing cash on big fees are over unless we fluke promotion. 

 

[modboy]

1 hour ago, bigthinrob said:

Don’t recall that but we were quite low down on Row 8 so not the greatest view to be fair.

 

If we got away with one as you say, the constant fouls given to them from minute 1 to minute 96 gave them a constant source of supply in decent positions which eventually led to our downfall.

 

This isn’t to brush over our shortcomings by the way, but it didn’t help us.

 

It was when clucas stayed down

[Westfield Owl]

19 minutes ago, RichSheffWeds said:

what you fail to grasp is that we still have potential ongoing FFP issues even if we successfully defend the stadium sale.
 

The stadium sale hopefully gets us out of a short term hole but ongoing losses will still be a real problem so reinvesting Joao money on a Grabban wasn’t and isn’t realistic. 
 

And underperformance from the remaining strikers doesn’t mean they can’t do it - they have all (bar Nuhiu) performed in the past. 
 

Maybe Chansiri expects a coach to get more out of the other 5 forwards on our books? You can’t blame underperforming players, forwards in particular on the Chairman. 
 

He is having to get used to cutting his cloth within FFP rules now and we better get used to it. The days of splashing cash on big fees are over unless we fluke promotion. 

 

 

No mate, I haven’t failed to notice the FFP issues at all.

 

I’d say given the stadium sale and the EFL charge, the individual that’s been at fault for not considering the potential danger of breaking FFP rules is none other than our owner.

 

But the fact is that after the stadium sale went through, then the Bruce compo, then the Joao money, DC had the option of bringing in a Championship striker.

 

Unfortunately we didn’t a forward.  Very strange IMO.

 

So either the club tried but failed, or they didn’t even try.

 

I don’t know which is more worrying.

[OwlinOldham]

Today in a nurshell:

 

1 - Iorfa who has usually been good to date, had a mare today.

2 - Nuihu and Rhodes doesnt work for how we want to play (no pace to close down defenders or defend from front).

3 - Stoke closed down Bannan and Harris so quick that they and in turn us couldnt play.

4 - Dawsons saves kept us in it.

5 - Bannan should have been sent off and they should have had a penalty.

6 - We didnt deserve to win.

 

Thats pretty much it from what i saw. Dont know who to blame or what we can do about it, just hope we learn from it. 

 

[victorturner]

2 hours ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

As delighted as many of us were for him, one stellar performance stands out like a sore thumb against what he has offered in general for us. 

I accept that.

[FreshOwl]

20 minutes ago, OwlinOldham said:

Today in a nurshell:

 

1 - Iorfa who has usually been good to date, had a mare today.

2 - Nuihu and Rhodes doesnt work for how we want to play (no pace to close down defenders or defend from front).

3 - Stoke closed down Bannan and Harris so quick that they and in turn us couldnt play.

4 - Dawsons saves kept us in it.

5 - Bannan should have been sent off and they should have had a penalty.

6 - We didnt deserve to win.

 

Thats pretty much it from what i saw. Dont know who to blame or what we can do about it, just hope we learn from it. 

 

Ref knew he should have sent him off, and that was never a corner at the end, past the 6 min mark. But go figure 

[OwlinOldham]

10 minutes ago, FreshOwl said:

Ref knew he should have sent him off, and that was never a corner at the end, past the 6 min mark. But go figure 

 

Truth in both of them points. Hopefully it brings us down to earth with a bump and makes us refocus. Just hope that theres some funds for some loans and that our league position makes us seem an attractive option to players and the loaning clubs. 

[DesWalker]

Very bad day at the office. Happens though in this league. 
 

We’ve been on a great run recently, bit of perspective required. Yes, it’s frustrating throwing points away, but we aren’t the only ones. 
 

Glaringly obvious we need some more options up top. Hopefully a couple of loans lined up and a few out of the door. 
 

Fortunately not long to wait to put it right against Cardiff. 

[TodwickOwl]

9 hours ago, OwlinOldham said:

Today in a nurshell:

 

1 - Iorfa who has usually been good to date, had a mare today.

2 - Nuihu and Rhodes doesnt work for how we want to play (no pace to close down defenders or defend from front).

3 - Stoke closed down Bannan and Harris so quick that they and in turn us couldnt play.

4 - Dawsons saves kept us in it.

5 - Bannan should have been sent off and they should have had a penalty.

6 - We didnt deserve to win.

 

Thats pretty much it from what i saw. Dont know who to blame or what we can do about it, just hope we learn from it. 

 

Bang on the money 

 

This wasn’t Bristol where we were the better side - we were poor, and the 2nd best all over the park 

 

I still think we need a big powerhouse in the middle

[gurujuan]

10 hours ago, Westfield Owl said:

 

No mate, I haven’t failed to notice the FFP issues at all.

 

I’d say given the stadium sale and the EFL charge, the individual that’s been at fault for not considering the potential danger of breaking FFP rules is none other than our owner.

 

But the fact is that after the stadium sale went through, then the Bruce compo, then the Joao money, DC had the option of bringing in a Championship striker.

 

Unfortunately we didn’t a forward.  Very strange IMO.

 

So either the club tried but failed, or they didn’t even try.

 

I don’t know which is more worrying.

Yes, a little strange We had been saying all summer that we wanted to bring in some young loanees from the top six Premier League clubs, yet our recruitment was nothing like that Having sold Joao, there was the perfect opportunity to bring in a young front man with similar attributes

[Bouncing Owl]

1 minute ago, gurujuan said:

Yes, a little strange We had been saying all summer that we wanted to bring in some young loanees from the top six Premier League clubs, yet our recruitment was nothing like that Having sold Joao, there was the perfect opportunity to bring in a young front man with similar attributes

Im sure it will happen in January. Monk will listen to offers for Rhodes, Winnall, Dave and FF. Only problem being is trying to find potential suitors. 

[the monk]

14 hours ago, toooldforthis said:

 

Just got back...Dawson was great, could have been 5-2 today apart from 3 very very good stops. Iorfa was a bit shaky, Lees isn't a captain, Palmer was a bit lost against Klucas (he's a very good player) and Fox did ok. Midfield was over run and we couldn't string any passes together.

 

They closed us down everywhere on the pitch we didn't.

 

25 fouls by Wednesday vs 6 fouls by Stoke shows how cute they were...dropped and won fouls/corners and they were way better than us in the air. Ref was really crap about challenges...but they were very smart at winning fouls.

 

Apart from Dawson we were 5/10 today.

Iorfa .....a bit shaky

 

Palmer..... a bit lost 

Think you are a forgiving type ,am I right ?

As for the foul count , we give free kicks away in bad areas all the time ,be it upfront when a defender is heading nowhere or around our own box ,and we never seem to learn 

[Brissy-owl]

always sceptical of boxing day games, players are only human and want to enjoy a drink and some good scran, they cant be at 100% for these games on boxing day 

[Guest gizowl]

16 hours ago, bladeshater said:

Defensively we were inept today can't blame it on nuhiu or Fletcher missing the defending were abysmal

Correct mate, 10 outfield players today and a couple had average games the rest were dreadful including captain fantastic Bannan who should lead by example but was one of the biggest culprits today, but let's blame it all on  Dave, problem solved. Some on here beggar belief. 

[Guest gizowl]

21 minutes ago, Brissy-owl said:

always sceptical of boxing day games, players are only human and want to enjoy a drink and some good scran, they cant be at 100% for these games on boxing day 

When they're earning between 20 and 40k oh yes they can. 

[the monk]

30 minutes ago, Brissy-owl said:

always sceptical of boxing day games, players are only human and want to enjoy a drink and some good scran, they cant be at 100% for these games on boxing day 

Dont they have Christmas in Stoke

[SiJ]

You know, I sensed a bit of complacency in that performance today. 

 

We seemed to be under the impression that we could just rock up and play our usual game and that Stoke were going to lie down and die. 

 

It became pretty apparent after 5 minutes that we were in a game and truth be told, we were fortunate to come in at only 1 down when half time came. 

 

Second half, we improved somewhat. Still fortunate to find ourselves in the lead and what happened in the last 10 minutes of the game was completely unacceptable. The game management was appalling and we got exactly what we deserved - flip all. 

 

We are not good enough to half arse it or think that we merely have to turn up. The way we've done well this season is by working hard and by doing so that allows our better players to start imposing themselves on the game more. 

 

Hopefully, that acts as a wake up call.