billyblack Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Peacenocchio said: I'd agree with you until the last 12 months. The 1m loan fee for Rhodes, Iorfa for 250k. The Hector loan. Bannan and Joao contracts.The Bruce arrival and letting him start at his choosing. That's been an improvement to be fair so there might be light at the end of the tunnel. We dont have a problem bringing in, its the selling of theres an issue, you have to generate income from selling as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, casbahowl said: It’s called negotiation! Ask for 7, Offered 2, agree on 3.5! Also the hypocrisy on here over a Nixon article is laughable, usually any of his stories are met with comments of “It’s only Nixon, he knows fukall” etc, etc. But because it can be seen as a stick to beat the Chairman with it’s suddenly gospel and manna from heaven for all the usual Chansiri haters! That is not how to negotiate. Negotiation is about setting a desired price and the lowest price you are prepared to go to then (usually) settle on something in between. There is a difference between a desired price and an unrealistic one. If you had a house valued at around £100,000 but you advertised it £200,000, all you would do is put off potential purchasers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 1 minute ago, ChinaOwl said: That is not how to negotiate. Negotiation is about setting a desired price and the lowest price you are prepared to go to then (usually) settle on something in between. There is a difference between a desired price and an unrealistic one. If you had a house valued at around £100,000 but you advertised it £200,000, all you would do is put off potential purchasers. Thing is, we don’t negotiate. That’s been proven, time after time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Just now, vulva said: Thing is, we don’t negotiate. That’s been proven, time after time. Aye, that's quite a different matter. Put that one down to Mr Chansiri's business acumen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Just now, vulva said: Thing is, we don’t negotiate. That’s been proven, time after time. Can someone share Daniel Levys noddy guide for negotiation with DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 55 minutes ago, Dronfield_SWFC said: If Van Aiken is worth the £4m we paid then Hector is a bargain at 5 million Agreed but nobody would rate VA as worth even a quarter of what we paid for him. As for Hector he'd be worth 5 million to Fulham so that's where he will probably end up. Disappointing but we've got to be realistic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 21 minutes ago, billyblack said: Agreed. Lets look at this another way, how many players have we made a profit on since DC has been here? Maybe the clue to your question is ‘transfer embargo’ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Walt said: Maybe the clue to your question is ‘transfer embargo’ ? Haha. Really, so we werent allowed to sell any players, is that what you are saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, ChinaOwl said: That is not how to negotiate. Negotiation is about setting a desired price and the lowest price you are prepared to go to then (usually) settle on something in between. There is a difference between a desired price and an unrealistic one. If you had a house valued at around £100,000 but you advertised it £200,000, all you would do is put off potential purchasers. I agree with most of that but then you have to figure in other market forces like promotion to the PL and current market value. Madine’s £6m move to Cardiff could be seen as a reasonable benchmark from where to start negotiations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 1 minute ago, casbahowl said: I agree with most of that but then you have to figure in other market forces like promotion to the PL and current market value. Madine’s £6m move to Cardiff could be seen as a reasonable benchmark from where to start negotiations! Madine was coming off the back of good form at Bolton and was a risk strategy by a club destined for automatic promotion to get them over the line. He wasn't worth £6 million unless he got a few goals to get Cardiff into the Premier League. Rhodes is coming off the back of at least two season's of average form by his standards. He is very much behind Pukki in the Norwich pecking order and I would imagine they regard Rhodes as a nice to have rather than someone they are going to pay over the odds to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, billyblack said: Haha. Really, so we werent allowed to sell any players, is that what you are saying? No, you’ve got hold of the wrong end of the stick. Our transfer dealings have left us under an embargo, We’ve ended up with more going out than coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 6 hours ago, pazowl55 said: To be fair I do retract the statement a few posts down and admit I shouldn't have used the word promise. Its cool fella. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Newsome Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 55 minutes ago, vulva said: Can you point me to where we’ve negotiated well on transfers since DC came in. Forestieri, Hooper, Ross Wallace, Lucas Joao, negotiating new contracts for numerous players over the years. It was the recruitment before 2016/17 that has crippled us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, ChinaOwl said: Madine was coming off the back of good form at Bolton and was a risk strategy by a club destined for automatic promotion to get them over the line. He wasn't worth £6 million unless he got a few goals to get Cardiff into the Premier League. Rhodes is coming off the back of at least two season's of average form by his standards. He is very much behind Pukki in the Norwich pecking order and I would imagine they regard Rhodes as a nice to have rather than someone they are going to pay over the odds to get. You’re comparing individuals on a like for like basis whilst I’m merely pointing out market conditions, benchmarks and recent precedents for starting negotiations, none of which can be ignored or dismissed! I wouldn’t be at all surprised for the fee to be “undisclosed” when this deal actually does go through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Not Jon Newsome said: Forestieri, Hooper, Ross Wallace, Lucas Joao, negotiating new contracts for numerous players over the years. It was the recruitment before 2016/17 that has crippled us. How much have those players recouped us in transfer fees? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, casbahowl said: I agree with most of that but then you have to figure in other market forces like promotion to the PL and current market value. Madine’s £6m move to Cardiff could be seen as a reasonable benchmark from where to start negotiations! How can one over-priced player valuation in a bad deal be used as a benchmark?! Madine was never a 6mil player. Cardiff paid way over the odds after a half-season purple patch at Bolton. Rhodes has become a championship version of Torres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Just now, wilyfox said: How can one over-priced player valuation in a bad deal be used as a benchmark?! Madine was never a 6mil player. Cardiff paid way over the odds after a half-season purple patch at Bolton. Rhodes has become a championship version of Torres. So we have to pretend it didn’t happen then? No matter how many times you choose to ignore it the deal happened and is now a benchmark used in negotiations in similar circumstances! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Just now, casbahowl said: So we have to pretend it didn’t happen then? No matter how many times you choose to ignore it the deal happened and is now a benchmark used in negotiations in similar circumstances! You don't ignore it, you see it for what it was. Bad deals make a loss. Can't expect to recoup those losses. Try to minimise and manage. Norwich spent fortunes on Naismith & Wildschut. They've just walked on frees after loan spells elsewhere because they were bad deals. It happens, and has happened here repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 A player in truth is only worth what some other club is prepared to pay. Cardiff were obviously prepared to pay £6M for Madine hence why Bolton got what they asked for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 1 hour ago, vulva said: The £7m figure indicates why we are in trouble with FFP. We simply haven’t got a clue. Not sure why you’ve been negged for this You’re right, We haven’t a clue in terms of transfers and valuations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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